For those who didn't get it, it only copy minions that are on the board, not in your hand. With that being said, this feels really strong. I am also really happen that there are no meme neutral legendaries this time around. All of them have their perks.
We'll need some clarification on what the text means. Does "your other Battlecry minions" mean "your Battlecry minions that aren't Barista Lynchen" or does it mean "your Battlecry minions that aren't this minion"?
I'm pretty confident. They nerfed Saronite Chain Gang for a reason. They are not going to make infinite Shudderwock easier, even if it is just one a turn.
Zola is much better, cheap and less conditional than this card.
Maybe rogue can use this with lackeys but it is ok at best...
That card is way over hyped. Most of the time you will only be able to copy a single battlecry minion and a small one at that. Zola let you copy any minion. It will often be played naked as a 5 mana chillwind yeti just for the tempo.
I wonder about her interaction and synergy in Shudderwock decks, because that can make the Shudderwock very much broken again (not sure about other replacements for the combo tho).
But I like her design and probably will try it in a variety of decks as a win-more card, so to speak. It's like a Zola, but if you have more Battlecry minions on the board, it copies every one of them. And it's a solider body than Zola.
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Echo of Medivh, but on a neutral stick neutral. And conditional.
Only very few decks will be able to actually profit from her.
I don't agree. First of, it is hard to compare a spell to a minion with reasonable stats, which means this can be played in faster decks. In wild, locking down a combo-deck on turn 10 for 2 turns with this and Loatheb seems like a midrange dream! Most good targets for Zola the Gorgon will work with her too, and gorgonzola has seen plenty of play. I think her powerlevel is similar, slightly slower but with a higher maximum value.
Jade Rogue? I don't think this will be good in jade shaman, because people have Spirit Echo there. If the point of your deck is to copy battlecry quest rewards, then you are better off using Zola the Gorgon, as both of those examples will rotate out to wild in one week. And I don't think this will be used in shaman combo decks (Shudderwock won't work, I know), because Grumble reduces the cost of the minions to 1.
- Hir'eek, the Bat Kappa - Princess Talanji and the minions she summons, but this sounds really greedy: - Tess Greymane rogue is better off using the scheme; - Jan'alai, the Dragonhawk??? - Bomb warrior? - Reno decks? copying Reno and Kazakus, but that's a bit too optemistic - Carnivorous Cube decks? Too greedy, isn't it? !!! Control mech and dragon warrior decks !!! - Omega Agent warlock - Factory rogue? (synergies with Shadowcasters) - there a lot of battlecry minions in defensive paladin decks (incl healadin) - pogo hopper in standard - Squashling powerrr
Thanks for the idea about Omega agent. Right now Im theorycrafting about a new warlock control deck which uses the agent because you can Elekk + Plot twist + agent in the same turn, so infinite value + high pressure in the same turn. With this card I dont need to wait for the double Elekk + double Plot twist combo before playing the agent, the Barista can give me omega value much sooner.
I will also use her in pogo rogue. Reno decks have better tools, Zola is probably better there.
Jade Rogue? I don't think this will be good in jade shaman, because people have Spirit Echo there. If the point of your deck is to copy battlecry quest rewards, then you are better off using Zola the Gorgon, as both of those examples will rotate out to wild in one week. And I don't think this will be used in shaman combo decks (Shudderwock won't work, I know), because Grumble reduces the cost of the minions to 1.
- Hir'eek, the Bat Kappa - Princess Talanji and the minions she summons, but this sounds really greedy: - Tess Greymane rogue is better off using the scheme; - Jan'alai, the Dragonhawk??? - Bomb warrior? - Reno decks? copying Reno and Kazakus, but that's a bit too optemistic - Carnivorous Cube decks? Too greedy, isn't it? !!! Control mech and dragon warrior decks !!! - Omega Agent warlock - Factory rogue? (synergies with Shadowcasters) - there a lot of battlecry minions in defensive paladin decks (incl healadin) - pogo hopper in standard - Squashling powerrr
Thanks for the idea about Omega agent. Right now Im theorycrafting about a new warlock control deck which uses the agent because you can Elekk + Plot twist + agent in the same turn, so infinite value + high pressure in the same turn. With this card I dont need to wait for the double Elekk + double Plot twist combo before playing the agent, the Barista can give me omega value much sooner.
I will also use her in pogo rogue. Reno decks have better tools, Zola is probably better there.
I don't understand why the Omega Agent combo isn't getting more hype. This combo is actually really amazing.
looking at Zola the Gorgon, we know that copying a minion is really strong even on a weak body with limited options, and this card brings it in more with a decent body and the ability to hit multiple targets
ultimately, this card is really good front-up and has a gazillion different combos, but i'm really excited to try this with Crystal Stag - might make heal druid worth playing
We'll need some clarification on what the text means. Does "your other Battlecry minions" mean "your Battlecry minions that aren't Barista Lynchen" or does it mean "your Battlecry minions that aren't this minion"?
Your second statement is correct. if you have 2 for some reason you can create one copy playing both
at first, I thought it just filled your hand with battlecry minions from your deck and I was like this card looks broken. Then I realized they have to be on your side of the board and I was like this card is garbage.
It needs to get you about 2 decent minons to be good, 1 to be fair. But fair cards are not constructed playable cards. So you pretty much need 2 battle cry minions sticking on the board which is pretty rare.
If this were to add copies of all battlecry minions in your deck to your hand, it could cost 10 Mana and still be insanely good. This effect is good with exactly Omega agent, and not much else.
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For those who didn't get it, it only copy minions that are on the board, not in your hand. With that being said, this feels really strong. I am also really happen that there are no meme neutral legendaries this time around. All of them have their perks.
It means "that aren't this minion", if Grumble, Worldshaker is any indication.
I'm pretty confident. They nerfed Saronite Chain Gang for a reason. They are not going to make infinite Shudderwock easier, even if it is just one a turn.
This card is really good. Even getting a single battlecry added to your hand is worth it. Getting more than that is crazy good value.
Potentially very strong. Not sure where it'll fit best in standard, but I'm sure it'll be broken in wild.
8/10 for strength, 7/10 for the tiddies
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That card is way over hyped. Most of the time you will only be able to copy a single battlecry minion and a small one at that. Zola let you copy any minion. It will often be played naked as a 5 mana chillwind yeti just for the tempo.
I have high hopes for this value card.
One of them will eventually work
I wonder about her interaction and synergy in Shudderwock decks, because that can make the Shudderwock very much broken again (not sure about other replacements for the combo tho).
But I like her design and probably will try it in a variety of decks as a win-more card, so to speak. It's like a Zola, but if you have more Battlecry minions on the board, it copies every one of them. And it's a solider body than Zola.
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I don't agree. First of, it is hard to compare a spell to a minion with reasonable stats, which means this can be played in faster decks. In wild, locking down a combo-deck on turn 10 for 2 turns with this and Loatheb seems like a midrange dream! Most good targets for Zola the Gorgon will work with her too, and gorgonzola has seen plenty of play. I think her powerlevel is similar, slightly slower but with a higher maximum value.
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Thanks for the idea about Omega agent. Right now Im theorycrafting about a new warlock control deck which uses the agent because you can Elekk + Plot twist + agent in the same turn, so infinite value + high pressure in the same turn. With this card I dont need to wait for the double Elekk + double Plot twist combo before playing the agent, the Barista can give me omega value much sooner.
I will also use her in pogo rogue. Reno decks have better tools, Zola is probably better there.
Could be fun with Pogo Hopper - it has gotten some support this expansion. Still sceptical about the Pogo Hopper concept tho
interesting shaman rouge and kazakus classes potiental love this card
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I don't understand why the Omega Agent combo isn't getting more hype. This combo is actually really amazing.
Great card. Would love to get her in a pack. In my opinion the Zilliax of this set, just a good choice for many different decks.
oooooh, this card seems REALLY good
looking at Zola the Gorgon, we know that copying a minion is really strong even on a weak body with limited options, and this card brings it in more with a decent body and the ability to hit multiple targets
ultimately, this card is really good front-up and has a gazillion different combos, but i'm really excited to try this with Crystal Stag - might make heal druid worth playing
Your second statement is correct. if you have 2 for some reason you can create one copy playing both
at first, I thought it just filled your hand with battlecry minions from your deck and I was like this card looks broken. Then I realized they have to be on your side of the board and I was like this card is garbage.
It needs to get you about 2 decent minons to be good, 1 to be fair. But fair cards are not constructed playable cards. So you pretty much need 2 battle cry minions sticking on the board which is pretty rare.
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If this were to add copies of all battlecry minions in your deck to your hand, it could cost 10 Mana and still be insanely good. This effect is good with exactly Omega agent, and not much else.
This is going to be a good card.