Maybe, but generally speaking Rouge isn’t a class that can hold on to a lot of cards, especially after the tempo loss from playing a 3 mana 1/5 . But let’s see what archetype will be played. If it’s some kind of miracle Rouge I doubt they can fit in the Togawaggle package.
I can't believe everybody thinks this is busted, I always forget how bad heartpwn users are at evaluating cards.
I actually think it is a terrible card. Rogue cannot play the control game, you have no more tutoring (bye minstrel), no more razorpetals so even if you get to play triple maly with a nut-draw (you have to draw naturally three legendaries AND survive till at least turn 7) you don't have 0 mana damage spells to play on the same turn. I really don't see how any of this could possibly work.
I agree and disagree. I think that people are giving too much credit to this card, as it is not a good card by itself. However, i do see this being played in a Chef Nomi Rogue running myras unstable element. You hopefully have Heistbaron Togwaggle, togwaggle's scheme, and a lackey you generated at some point earlier in the game, and after turn 7 nomi, turn 8 Lackey, Heistbaron, Togwaggle's scheme, maybe prep the treasure to draw 3 0 cost togwaggles. then just keep tempo up with 10 zarogs crowns. This will not be good in a control deck, it will be a good win condition for midrange nomi rogue.
It doesn't "discover", because that would mean you get to choose from 3 out of 4 of them. "Choose" means that you pick any one of the 4, like shaman upgraded hero power.
From time to time, whenever I face Lackey Rogue, I see this legendary popping up, but it doesn't feel that broken as I have imagined at the start. I don't know if it was just me, but Zarog's Crown often times low-rolled for my opponents. They didn't summon scary threats, which I couldn't deal with. If anything, EVIL Miscreant is way more frightening, because the cheap lackeys and a Shadowstep allow my opponents to play a really big Edwin VanCleef early on.
Imho this legendary is still pretty busted, but there is a broken combo with Wondrous Wand that we haven't discovered yet. What do you think?
From time to time, whenever I face Lackey Rogue, I see this legendary popping up, but it doesn't feel that broken as I have imagined at the start. I don't know if it was just me, but Zarog's Crown often times low-rolled for my opponents. Imho this legendary is still pretty busted, but there is a broken combo with Wondrous Wand that we don't know yet.
It's been either a win more or hail mary for me. You play it to get that absolutely crushing win, or you play it because you have no other outs and you need something fast.
There is a cool combo with Togwaggle's Scheme that I've seen Firebat running, where you Myra's, then Scheme your Leeroy, then Wonderous Wand and have a shitload of burst for no mana.
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From time to time, whenever I face Lackey Rogue, I see this legendary popping up, but it doesn't feel that broken as I have imagined at the start. I don't know if it was just me, but Zarog's Crown often times low-rolled for my opponents. Imho this legendary is still pretty busted, but there is a broken combo with Wondrous Wand that we don't know yet.
I've faced the combo a few times in decks that draw fast: Scheme on Leeroy, Wand, 24 damage burst just from the 4 Leeroys.
I agree, he's not broken, but he is very good in the right scenario. I think often he's misplayed because there are options that look better as opposed to the ones that are better in any given situation
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It's been either a win more or hail mary for me. You play it to get that absolutely crushing win, or you play it because you have no other outs and you need something fast.
There is a cool combo with Togwaggle's Scheme that I've seen Firebat running, where you Myra's, then Scheme your Leeroy, then Wonderous Wand and have a shitload of burst for no mana.
1) I was afraid you would say that. Pity, Togwaggle was one of the most hyped legendaries of the set.
2) Yeah, I'm aware of the Leeroy JenkinsWondrous Wand combo. I saw a video, where Firebat managed to pull it off. In-game I have faced the Malygos combo, but wasn't really impressed by it - it was kinda slow. Despite those unsuccessful not that amazing attempts, I feel like there is a hidden combo that isn't discovered yet.
I mean don't get me wrong, you can generate a lot of value with it, it's just outshined by Rogue's other methods of generating tempo/value via Lackeys, Miscreants, and "add a card" cards.
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Best (most fun) use of Togwaggle is with high draw and Tog's Scheme, get the Wand then Scheme a bunch of Tog's in your deck, draw em for 0. Does well against Control Warrior where, much like Nomi, they have to fend off advances over multiple turns. It's also just really fun to play Tog again and again.
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For me Zarog's Crown pulls to often not that good cards(Hello Dead Battlecry Cards like The Black Knight , so i use it more often to get 3 cards for free to get a massiv tempo boost.
Maybe, but generally speaking Rouge isn’t a class that can hold on to a lot of cards, especially after the tempo loss from playing a 3 mana 1/5 . But let’s see what archetype will be played. If it’s some kind of miracle Rouge I doubt they can fit in the Togawaggle package.
I agree and disagree. I think that people are giving too much credit to this card, as it is not a good card by itself. However, i do see this being played in a Chef Nomi Rogue running myras unstable element. You hopefully have Heistbaron Togwaggle, togwaggle's scheme, and a lackey you generated at some point earlier in the game, and after turn 7 nomi, turn 8 Lackey, Heistbaron, Togwaggle's scheme, maybe prep the treasure to draw 3 0 cost togwaggles. then just keep tempo up with 10 zarogs crowns. This will not be good in a control deck, it will be a good win condition for midrange nomi rogue.
It doesn't "discover", because that would mean you get to choose from 3 out of 4 of them. "Choose" means that you pick any one of the 4, like shaman upgraded hero power.
So, uhm, what's the community's opinion about Heistbaron Togwaggle now?
From time to time, whenever I face Lackey Rogue, I see this legendary popping up, but it doesn't feel that broken as I have imagined at the start. I don't know if it was just me, but Zarog's Crown often times low-rolled for my opponents. They didn't summon scary threats, which I couldn't deal with. If anything, EVIL Miscreant is way more frightening, because the cheap lackeys and a Shadowstep allow my opponents to play a really big Edwin VanCleef early on.
Imho this legendary is still pretty busted, but there is a broken combo with Wondrous Wand that we haven't discovered yet. What do you think?
It's been either a win more or hail mary for me. You play it to get that absolutely crushing win, or you play it because you have no other outs and you need something fast.
There is a cool combo with Togwaggle's Scheme that I've seen Firebat running, where you Myra's, then Scheme your Leeroy, then Wonderous Wand and have a shitload of burst for no mana.
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I've faced the combo a few times in decks that draw fast: Scheme on Leeroy, Wand, 24 damage burst just from the 4 Leeroys.
I agree, he's not broken, but he is very good in the right scenario. I think often he's misplayed because there are options that look better as opposed to the ones that are better in any given situation
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1) I was afraid you would say that. Pity, Togwaggle was one of the most hyped legendaries of the set.
2) Yeah, I'm aware of the Leeroy Jenkins Wondrous Wand combo. I saw a video, where Firebat managed to pull it off. In-game I have faced the Malygos combo, but wasn't really impressed by it - it was kinda slow. Despite those
unsuccessfulnot that amazing attempts, I feel like there is a hidden combo that isn't discovered yet.I mean don't get me wrong, you can generate a lot of value with it, it's just outshined by Rogue's other methods of generating tempo/value via Lackeys, Miscreants, and "add a card" cards.
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Best (most fun) use of Togwaggle is with high draw and Tog's Scheme, get the Wand then Scheme a bunch of Tog's in your deck, draw em for 0. Does well against Control Warrior where, much like Nomi, they have to fend off advances over multiple turns. It's also just really fun to play Tog again and again.
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For me Zarog's Crown pulls to often not that good cards(Hello Dead Battlecry Cards like The Black Knight , so i use it more often to get 3 cards for free to get a massiv tempo boost.
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Is Zarog's Crown capable of pulling taunt minions?
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