Why would I post on the salt thread? This is the specific topic that has me angry.
That makes no sense.
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It's a good card that is powerful, but I would not put it in the broken category.
If you subscribe to the belief that Legendary cards should have a powerful or unique effect, Zilliax qualifies. And since he is Legendary AND costs 5 mana, he will never be in Even (Genn) decks, other than random effects. So the argument Zilliax is in every deck is wrong. And of course Spell Hunter doesnt play with him either.
Most aggro decks do not play with it unless they need healing against other burn or aggro decks. But if an aggro deck is spending 5 mana for a 3/2 minion that cannot go face the turn it's played, thats usually bad.
As others have said, its powerful and we need powerful cards for a variety of deck archetypes. It's nice to have 1 legendary minion that works in multiple decks. It means I didnt craft a legendary minion for 1 class and only 1 deck type. That is far more frustrating than a powerful card.
For example, crafting Velen in priest is often used in OTK or combo decks. Very rarely are you going to use it in pure control or dragon builds. Luckily I never had to craft him and opened him instead. But it would feel bad to craft him to learn he doesnt really work in any of the 'bad' decks out there.
If anything Zilliax could be turned into a 3/3 and still not be over powered, but possibly getting closer to it.
My favorite play on 10 is to play Zilliax and then play copy it with Faceless Manipulator against aggro or Mid range decks. It is usually enough to stabilize my life total and win the game from there.
My argument though is that 5 keywords may be a bit overkill, and plenty of minions are under-stated with far less upside. Yes absolutely as a legendary you need to stand above- you're a legendary afterall so I agree. I just feel in this month so far I've been grinding hard on ladder and seeing Zilliax 60%+ of games is pretty scary. You named decks that systematically the card can't be played in, but that's a deck constraint. Deck constraints aren't really in the statistics when design looks at cards because they physically cannot exist. Now I see him in Odd Mage, Egg Paladin, Deathrattle Rogue, Deathrattle Hunter, Odd Warrior, Combo Priest, OTK Warlock, Cube Warlock, Rush Warrior, Big Spell Mage, and plenty of other off-meta decks where you can't really judge. I will say he is definitely an oversight at the least. It seems like he was put in as card 25-30 not as a priority. But I think we are about to see much much more of him at rotation, and I think you all will start to feel what I see about to happen.
"And since he is Legendary AND costs 5 mana, he will never be in Even (Genn) decks, other than random effects. So the argument Zilliax is in every deck is wrong. And of course Spell Hunter doesnt play with him either."
Yeah. And Even decks are about to die on rotation.
And so is Spell Hunter, for that matter.
In other words? That argument may just become reality on rotation.
As for people saying he's just the new Lich King, remember what I said, The Lich King fits into far less decks than Zilliax does. If Aggro starts running Zilliax post-rotation, we're going to have a serious problem here.
At the moment I really just like the idea someone had of printing other stronger cards on 5 so it doesn't just feel like "welp, better throw in ol' Zilliax" rather than actually nerfing Zilliax himself. So decks that are more suitable to run those 5 drops will, and decks more suited to run Zilliax will run Zilliax instead.
Yes, I'm incredibly angry. These changes to the classic set don't rotate next year, they continue to impact the game in ways that were unwarranted to start with. Every time the balance team makes a decision based on popular consensus, it has been the wrong decision and/or for the wrong reason.
And no, I didn't read the rest of the thread. The OP asked a question and I gave an answer. Not that a bunch of people saying the same general thing would have changed my post.
It is self-evident that if Flametongue Totem was somehow worth a nerf, than certainly Zilliax needs one as well. Fortunately, Flametongue Totem was NOT worth a nerf, and neither is Zilliax.
Yeah, but the world wasn't calling for a Flametongue nerf... It may have had a thread or two, but it wasn't at the forefront of conversations. Flametongue got its nerf because when the next expansion was tested they realized Flametongue carried aggro in a dangerous way. That is the MAIN reason nerfs happen- the card is toxic to the future meta being tested. I don't feel Zilliax and Flametongue are in the same bucket. One is proven strong and the other is creeping. All I am saying is come back at rotation and tell me I'm wrong, and sure feel free to mock me. Or, maybe the card really does go in basically every deck at rotation due to the power loss. I don't know and you don't know what will happen, but I'm prepared to see the card a lot more than it already appears. Just bringing to light that feeling and discussing the card. I identified my title is wrong. It should probably read "Let's Discuss the Future of Zilliax".
I might agree, but he's comparable to Bloodmage Thalnos. Yes, he see's play in a lot of decks due to his versatility, but at the same time, he helps slow the game down in my opinion, and he's neutral, meaning that he doesn't benefit any particular class. Also, if mech decks will work after rotation, he will be the biggest reason why.
Thalnos and Zilliax are two of my favorite cards for this very reason. I love cards like Solemn Simulacrum (for all the MtG players on here) that have multiple simple-yet-advantageous effects.
Yes, I'm incredibly angry. These changes to the classic set don't rotate next year, they continue to impact the game in ways that were unwarranted to start with. Every time the balance team makes a decision based on popular consensus, it has been the wrong decision and/or for the wrong reason.
And no, I didn't read the rest of the thread. The OP asked a question and I gave an answer. Not that a bunch of people saying the same general thing would have changed my post.
It is self-evident that if Flametongue Totem was somehow worth a nerf, than certainly Zilliax needs one as well. Fortunately, Flametongue Totem was NOT worth a nerf, and neither is Zilliax.
Yeah, but the world wasn't calling for a Flametongue nerf... It may have had a thread or two, but it wasn't at the forefront of conversations. Flametongue got its nerf because when the next expansion was tested they realized Flametongue carried aggro in a dangerous way. That is the MAIN reason nerfs happen- the card is toxic to the future meta being tested. I don't feel Zilliax and Flametongue are in the same bucket. One is proven strong and the other is creeping. All I am saying is come back at rotation and tell me I'm wrong, and sure feel free to mock me. Or, maybe the card really does go in basically every deck at rotation due to the power loss. I don't know and you don't know what will happen, but I'm prepared to see the card a lot more than it already appears. Just bringing to light that feeling and discussing the card. I identified my title is wrong. It should probably read "Let's Discuss the Future of Zilliax".
All of that is fair enough, and certainly if they did something like tried to expand the Mech tribe in the next set, I would think this is a much more relevant conversation.
You use the term "carry" for FT Totem in a way that I think is accurate, in that Even Shaman does not relevantly exist without the card. But, given that Even Shaman was hanging around the lower end of t2 and there was absolutely no competitive alternative for shaman on the ladder (yes, I know Peanut Shaman is a thing, but only relevant in targeted tournament lineups), the fact that they chose NOW to take FT totem out is insane. Batshit fucking insane. If there is some very convincing reason coming from the set releasing in April why FT was needing a nerf, that's fine, but I'll believe that when I see it.
And obviously, comparing Zilliax and FT is a weird concept except to say that Zilliax is very clearly a better card mana-for-mana, so when we live in a world where FT is catching shade, who the hell knows what will happen to Zilliax?
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Why would I post on the salt thread? This is the specific topic that has me angry.
That makes no sense.
Because it's 100% off topic and you just wanted to rant about nerfs to the classic/basic sets.
I didn't want to do any such thing until someone suggested yet another nerf that has no data to support its necessity.
But, as I admitted in another post, the one possibility that would change things is if they want to make more mechs in the 2019 sets.
I brought up FT Totem in particular to point out that in a world where that card is being nerfed, who knows what will actually happen?
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Yes, I'm incredibly angry. These changes to the classic set don't rotate next year, they continue to impact the game in ways that were unwarranted to start with. Every time the balance team makes a decision based on popular consensus, it has been the wrong decision and/or for the wrong reason.
And no, I didn't read the rest of the thread. The OP asked a question and I gave an answer. Not that a bunch of people saying the same general thing would have changed my post.
It is self-evident that if Flametongue Totem was somehow worth a nerf, than certainly Zilliax needs one as well. Fortunately, Flametongue Totem was NOT worth a nerf, and neither is Zilliax.
Yeah, but the world wasn't calling for a Flametongue nerf... It may have had a thread or two, but it wasn't at the forefront of conversations. Flametongue got its nerf because when the next expansion was tested they realized Flametongue carried aggro in a dangerous way. That is the MAIN reason nerfs happen- the card is toxic to the future meta being tested. I don't feel Zilliax and Flametongue are in the same bucket. One is proven strong and the other is creeping. All I am saying is come back at rotation and tell me I'm wrong, and sure feel free to mock me. Or, maybe the card really does go in basically every deck at rotation due to the power loss. I don't know and you don't know what will happen, but I'm prepared to see the card a lot more than it already appears. Just bringing to light that feeling and discussing the card. I identified my title is wrong. It should probably read "Let's Discuss the Future of Zilliax".
All of that is fair enough, and certainly if they did something like tried to expand the Mech tribe in the next set, I would think this is a much more relevant conversation.
You use the term "carry" for FT Totem in a way that I think is accurate, in that Even Shaman does not relevantly exist without the card. But, given that Even Shaman was hanging around the lower end of t2 and there was absolutely no competitive alternative for shaman on the ladder (yes, I know Peanut Shaman is a thing, but only relevant in targeted tournament lineups), the fact that they chose NOW to take FT totem out is insane. Batshit fucking insane. If there is some very convincing reason coming from the set releasing in April why FT was needing a nerf, that's fine, but I'll believe that when I see it.
And obviously, comparing Zilliax and FT is a weird concept except to say that Zilliax is very clearly a better card mana-for-mana, so when we live in a world where FT is catching shade, who the hell knows what will happen to Zilliax?
No I agree that Flametongue got wiped early. Even Shaman wasn't a problem I 100% agree. I didn't see it a ton and when I did I either beat out the early aggression and won in the mid-late game, or I couldn't control it and it went off. High roll is high roll I have no issues with the deck. I think it was built farely and strongly. But yes the problem was that it hard carried the deck. Slap down some ones with coin and if your opponent didn't answer boom- 6 damage automatically. Now I will say in wild that was an issue even more, BUT I really don't care about wild and I laugh when I post something in the standard tag and wild players jump on and scream their misery. Its a cry for help and Blizzard needs to address wild more often, because I don't need those players screaming in my posts.
As an edit there is a game of thrones video with HS editing that makes fun of the Shaman nerf that hit Hex. I suggest you watch it for a good laugh.
Yes, I'm incredibly angry. These changes to the classic set don't rotate next year, they continue to impact the game in ways that were unwarranted to start with. Every time the balance team makes a decision based on popular consensus, it has been the wrong decision and/or for the wrong reason.
And no, I didn't read the rest of the thread. The OP asked a question and I gave an answer. Not that a bunch of people saying the same general thing would have changed my post.
It is self-evident that if Flametongue Totem was somehow worth a nerf, than certainly Zilliax needs one as well. Fortunately, Flametongue Totem was NOT worth a nerf, and neither is Zilliax.
Yeah, but the world wasn't calling for a Flametongue nerf... It may have had a thread or two, but it wasn't at the forefront of conversations. Flametongue got its nerf because when the next expansion was tested they realized Flametongue carried aggro in a dangerous way. That is the MAIN reason nerfs happen- the card is toxic to the future meta being tested. I don't feel Zilliax and Flametongue are in the same bucket. One is proven strong and the other is creeping. All I am saying is come back at rotation and tell me I'm wrong, and sure feel free to mock me. Or, maybe the card really does go in basically every deck at rotation due to the power loss. I don't know and you don't know what will happen, but I'm prepared to see the card a lot more than it already appears. Just bringing to light that feeling and discussing the card. I identified my title is wrong. It should probably read "Let's Discuss the Future of Zilliax".
Wrong but close. Flametongue and other nerfs amd rotations happen because it impacts game design. If they cannot make xyz cards that they want consistently because they have to design around it then they nerf. Could be shaman might get a swarmy taunt or divine shield effect that flametongue is broken with. I struggle to see much design constraint with zilliax besides magnetic mechs (magnetic is limited to boomsday which is not broken) and in wild zilliax is not broken. It is a tech stabilizing card where you want a small heal, a taunt, or a small clear va aggro or some other deck.. its a stall like antique healbot, or sludge belcher was. He is a great tech card that is only in decks that need those effects in the current meta... I see few worlds where he is broken, he cant really cause many nuts combos... I also struggle to see what card printed would break him besides an op low cost magnetic mech (which magnetic is over, keywords tend to stay in their own sets). My vote.. no nerf, low on the watchlist. I get the ops thougt though dr boom was in every deck as a 7 drop. However dr boom is proactive vs defensive and that is key. Dr boom went wide, went tall and went sticky / dangerous to remove, also countered sylvannas and other tech cards of the time. Zilliax just defends, heals a small amount, or removes a small thing. it doesnt heal alot most of the time, is easy to remove and counters little but aggro
I do have some worries about Zilliax, solely because of the Magnetic keyword in it. Soo many effects of +3/+2 (2 Mana) Taunt(0.5 Mana because is a neutral card)/LifeSteal( should be 1 Mana based off Unidentified Elixir) /Divine Shield (1 Mana) and Rush which arguably is 0.5 Mana ( because Charge is 1 Mana).
Not to mention also has a Mech Tag which is worth something this too !
Which without Magnetic = 2 + 0.5 + 1 + 1 + 0.5 = 5 Mana (and a Mech Tag)
But if you also add Magnetic keyword which already seems like is basically an entirely FREE keyword (see Glow-tron) i have doubts that it should be 0 Mana this effect otherwise why not have all Mechs Magnetic ?
This Magnetic keyword is what pushes Zilliax to also be used in Aggro Decks (maybe less in Standard but is not the point i want to make) which may prove too much in future expansions with more mechs.
That's really more of the complaint here, at least it is for me, not that Zilliax is too strong, but you see him EVERYWHERE. And you'll probably see him even more in the future. He's not quite an auto-include card at this point in time, but he's really bordering on that, and I don't think that's healthy for the meta.
The Lich King doesn't fit into as many decks as Zilliax does. That alone is concerning.
Differnce is, Lich King can carry the whole game by himself.
If you're not playing a priest Screams, how the hell are you realistically supposed to counter Anti-Magic Shell? If LK decides to pull the right token card when you need it, you just automatically win.
Zilliax doesn't do that. It helps you stabilizing health and going 2-for-1, which is FAR less oppressive than randomly generated "lul I win!" tokens.
Zilliax is awesome and balanced card, crafted it few days after BDP release and don't regret a single dust spent on it. It is just what Hearthstone cards needed to be, and not some pack fillers.
"Differnce is, Lich King can carry the whole game by himself.
If you're not playing a priest Screams, how the hell are you realistically supposed to counter Anti-Magic Shell? If LK decides to pull the right token card when you need it, you just automatically win.
Zilliax doesn't do that. It helps you stabilizing health and going 2-for-1, which is FAR less oppressive than randomly generated "lul I win!" tokens."
Will you actually read my posts if you're going to reply to them?
I'm tired of repeating this and being strawmanned for it. The issue is not that Zilliax is too strong a card or that he wins games instantly or -anything like that-.
The issue is -how many decks he fits into-. He's almost an auto-include card. And it's only going to be even more on rotation without more five drops to potentially take his spot.
I swear, I'm one step away from using size 36 font since some of y'all clearly can't read the size 8.
It's a 5 mana 3/2 with. It generally won't win games by itself, it's just a very flexible card which can tip the scale in some ways other, more specialized cards could do better.
It really only becomes a problem when he shows up like 4 - 5 times in a game. I think legends should be found via discover-type cards with the same probability as they appear in pack openings. :D
Only exception would be Espionage because that is such a random meme-fest that without the 1-mana legendaries, i would suck and be not nearly as fun.
Zilliax is strong, he's used in a lot of decks, he's versatile, and he's probably going to remain that way until he rotates. However, he's not oppressive, he's not unfun to play against, he's not unfair, he doesn't define any decks. Just because a card is good, or even excellent, doesn't mean it needs a Nerf.
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Why would I post on the salt thread? This is the specific topic that has me angry.
That makes no sense.
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My argument though is that 5 keywords may be a bit overkill, and plenty of minions are under-stated with far less upside. Yes absolutely as a legendary you need to stand above- you're a legendary afterall so I agree. I just feel in this month so far I've been grinding hard on ladder and seeing Zilliax 60%+ of games is pretty scary. You named decks that systematically the card can't be played in, but that's a deck constraint. Deck constraints aren't really in the statistics when design looks at cards because they physically cannot exist. Now I see him in Odd Mage, Egg Paladin, Deathrattle Rogue, Deathrattle Hunter, Odd Warrior, Combo Priest, OTK Warlock, Cube Warlock, Rush Warrior, Big Spell Mage, and plenty of other off-meta decks where you can't really judge. I will say he is definitely an oversight at the least. It seems like he was put in as card 25-30 not as a priority. But I think we are about to see much much more of him at rotation, and I think you all will start to feel what I see about to happen.
"And since he is Legendary AND costs 5 mana, he will never be in Even (Genn) decks, other than random effects. So the argument Zilliax is in every deck is wrong. And of course Spell Hunter doesnt play with him either."
Yeah. And Even decks are about to die on rotation.
And so is Spell Hunter, for that matter.
In other words? That argument may just become reality on rotation.
As for people saying he's just the new Lich King, remember what I said, The Lich King fits into far less decks than Zilliax does. If Aggro starts running Zilliax post-rotation, we're going to have a serious problem here.
At the moment I really just like the idea someone had of printing other stronger cards on 5 so it doesn't just feel like "welp, better throw in ol' Zilliax" rather than actually nerfing Zilliax himself. So decks that are more suitable to run those 5 drops will, and decks more suited to run Zilliax will run Zilliax instead.
Yeah, but the world wasn't calling for a Flametongue nerf... It may have had a thread or two, but it wasn't at the forefront of conversations. Flametongue got its nerf because when the next expansion was tested they realized Flametongue carried aggro in a dangerous way. That is the MAIN reason nerfs happen- the card is toxic to the future meta being tested. I don't feel Zilliax and Flametongue are in the same bucket. One is proven strong and the other is creeping. All I am saying is come back at rotation and tell me I'm wrong, and sure feel free to mock me. Or, maybe the card really does go in basically every deck at rotation due to the power loss. I don't know and you don't know what will happen, but I'm prepared to see the card a lot more than it already appears. Just bringing to light that feeling and discussing the card. I identified my title is wrong. It should probably read "Let's Discuss the Future of Zilliax".
Thalnos and Zilliax are two of my favorite cards for this very reason. I love cards like Solemn Simulacrum (for all the MtG players on here) that have multiple simple-yet-advantageous effects.
Because it's 100% off topic and you just wanted to rant about nerfs to the classic/basic sets.
All of that is fair enough, and certainly if they did something like tried to expand the Mech tribe in the next set, I would think this is a much more relevant conversation.
You use the term "carry" for FT Totem in a way that I think is accurate, in that Even Shaman does not relevantly exist without the card. But, given that Even Shaman was hanging around the lower end of t2 and there was absolutely no competitive alternative for shaman on the ladder (yes, I know Peanut Shaman is a thing, but only relevant in targeted tournament lineups), the fact that they chose NOW to take FT totem out is insane. Batshit fucking insane. If there is some very convincing reason coming from the set releasing in April why FT was needing a nerf, that's fine, but I'll believe that when I see it.
And obviously, comparing Zilliax and FT is a weird concept except to say that Zilliax is very clearly a better card mana-for-mana, so when we live in a world where FT is catching shade, who the hell knows what will happen to Zilliax?
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I didn't want to do any such thing until someone suggested yet another nerf that has no data to support its necessity.
But, as I admitted in another post, the one possibility that would change things is if they want to make more mechs in the 2019 sets.
I brought up FT Totem in particular to point out that in a world where that card is being nerfed, who knows what will actually happen?
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No I agree that Flametongue got wiped early. Even Shaman wasn't a problem I 100% agree. I didn't see it a ton and when I did I either beat out the early aggression and won in the mid-late game, or I couldn't control it and it went off. High roll is high roll I have no issues with the deck. I think it was built farely and strongly. But yes the problem was that it hard carried the deck. Slap down some ones with coin and if your opponent didn't answer boom- 6 damage automatically. Now I will say in wild that was an issue even more, BUT I really don't care about wild and I laugh when I post something in the standard tag and wild players jump on and scream their misery. Its a cry for help and Blizzard needs to address wild more often, because I don't need those players screaming in my posts.
As an edit there is a game of thrones video with HS editing that makes fun of the Shaman nerf that hit Hex. I suggest you watch it for a good laugh.
Without powerful cards the game wouldn’t be as fun, Zilliax is fine imo
The bane of any deck that wants to simply go face. Especially if played by a priest. So to me kind of an archetype killer
Wrong but close. Flametongue and other nerfs amd rotations happen because it impacts game design. If they cannot make xyz cards that they want consistently because they have to design around it then they nerf. Could be shaman might get a swarmy taunt or divine shield effect that flametongue is broken with. I struggle to see much design constraint with zilliax besides magnetic mechs (magnetic is limited to boomsday which is not broken) and in wild zilliax is not broken. It is a tech stabilizing card where you want a small heal, a taunt, or a small clear va aggro or some other deck.. its a stall like antique healbot, or sludge belcher was. He is a great tech card that is only in decks that need those effects in the current meta... I see few worlds where he is broken, he cant really cause many nuts combos... I also struggle to see what card printed would break him besides an op low cost magnetic mech (which magnetic is over, keywords tend to stay in their own sets). My vote.. no nerf, low on the watchlist. I get the ops thougt though dr boom was in every deck as a 7 drop. However dr boom is proactive vs defensive and that is key. Dr boom went wide, went tall and went sticky / dangerous to remove, also countered sylvannas and other tech cards of the time. Zilliax just defends, heals a small amount, or removes a small thing. it doesnt heal alot most of the time, is easy to remove and counters little but aggro
No
I do have some worries about Zilliax, solely because of the Magnetic keyword in it. Soo many effects of +3/+2 (2 Mana) Taunt(0.5 Mana because is a neutral card)/LifeSteal( should be 1 Mana based off Unidentified Elixir) /Divine Shield (1 Mana) and Rush which arguably is 0.5 Mana ( because Charge is 1 Mana).
Not to mention also has a Mech Tag which is worth something this too !
Which without Magnetic = 2 + 0.5 + 1 + 1 + 0.5 = 5 Mana (and a Mech Tag)
But if you also add Magnetic keyword which already seems like is basically an entirely FREE keyword (see Glow-tron) i have doubts that it should be 0 Mana this effect otherwise why not have all Mechs Magnetic ?
This Magnetic keyword is what pushes Zilliax to also be used in Aggro Decks (maybe less in Standard but is not the point i want to make) which may prove too much in future expansions with more mechs.
Differnce is, Lich King can carry the whole game by himself.
If you're not playing a priest Screams, how the hell are you realistically supposed to counter Anti-Magic Shell? If LK decides to pull the right token card when you need it, you just automatically win.
Zilliax doesn't do that. It helps you stabilizing health and going 2-for-1, which is FAR less oppressive than randomly generated "lul I win!" tokens.
Zilliax is awesome and balanced card, crafted it few days after BDP release and don't regret a single dust spent on it. It is just what Hearthstone cards needed to be, and not some pack fillers.
No brain - no pain.
"Differnce is, Lich King can carry the whole game by himself.
If you're not playing a priest Screams, how the hell are you realistically supposed to counter Anti-Magic Shell? If LK decides to pull the right token card when you need it, you just automatically win.
Zilliax doesn't do that. It helps you stabilizing health and going 2-for-1, which is FAR less oppressive than randomly generated "lul I win!" tokens."
Will you actually read my posts if you're going to reply to them?
I'm tired of repeating this and being strawmanned for it. The issue is not that Zilliax is too strong a card or that he wins games instantly or -anything like that-.
The issue is -how many decks he fits into-. He's almost an auto-include card. And it's only going to be even more on rotation without more five drops to potentially take his spot.
I swear, I'm one step away from using size 36 font since some of y'all clearly can't read the size 8.
It's a 5 mana 3/2 with. It generally won't win games by itself, it's just a very flexible card which can tip the scale in some ways other, more specialized cards could do better.
Zilliax is fine.
It really only becomes a problem when he shows up like 4 - 5 times in a game. I think legends should be found via discover-type cards with the same probability as they appear in pack openings. :D
Only exception would be Espionage because that is such a random meme-fest that without the 1-mana legendaries, i would suck and be not nearly as fun.
Zilliax is strong, he's used in a lot of decks, he's versatile, and he's probably going to remain that way until he rotates. However, he's not oppressive, he's not unfun to play against, he's not unfair, he doesn't define any decks. Just because a card is good, or even excellent, doesn't mean it needs a Nerf.