Can you All stop nitpicking and understand that (while you are right,the only DK's were the ones in KOFT) that Is NOT the point of this post,he obviously meant Hero cards (you know,he included All except jaraxxus for some reason) and this post Is about the Power level of each card
That's my list for Death Knights, If you ask other hero cards, they won't go in that list because they won't leave standard with death knight cards so it is not fair to compare death knights with other hero cards.
But their list is like;
S Tier Lord Jaraxxus (Yeah I know this isn't a hero card and can be interrupted with some techs but I have to put him here because he will never leave standard and he is a hero replacer.) ( Also he can heal you more than hero cards when you are below 10 health (except Dr. Boom, he has 7 Armor ! (WTF!) Hearthstone is not really fair at some points ... )
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That's my list for Death Knights, If you ask other hero cards, they won't go in that list because they won't leave standard with death knight cards so it is not fair to compare death knights with other hero cards.
But their list is like;
S Tier Lord Jaraxxus (Yeah I know this isn't a hero card and can be interrupted with some techs but I have to put him here because he will never leave standard and he is a hero replacer.)
That's my list for Death Knights, If you ask other hero cards, they won't go in that list because they won't leave standard with death knight cards so it is not fair to compare death knights with other hero cards.
But their list is like;
S Tier Lord Jaraxxus (Yeah I know this isn't a hero card and can be interrupted with some techs but I have to put him here because he will never leave standard and he is a hero replacer.)
Yeah Tier 1. I have been so irresolute to put him in tier 1 but well he is not S tier good in some matchups, not like Bloodreaver Gul'dan and its heropower is random, which makes Deathstalker Rexxar not balanced. When we got tons of expansions with tons of trash beasts with tons of new expansions ( YES ! DAMN FILLERS ! ) , it could be hard to create a viable zombeast. Think about a lot of 1/3, 1/1 useless beasts. That randomness makes him not to be overpowered yes but random beasts can make me crazy sometimes. So yes I have put him Tier 1 because of that RNG of it.
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That's my list for Death Knights, If you ask other hero cards, they won't go in that list because they won't leave standard with death knight cards so it is not fair to compare death knights with other hero cards.
But their list is like;
S Tier Lord Jaraxxus (Yeah I know this isn't a hero card and can be interrupted with some techs but I have to put him here because he will never leave standard and he is a hero replacer.)
Yeah Tier 1. I have been so irresolute to put him in tier 1 but well he is not S tier good in some matchups, not like Bloodreaver Gul'dan and its heropower is random, which makes Deathstalker Rexxar not balanced. When we got tons of expansions with tons of trash beasts with tons of new expansions ( YES ! DAMN FILLERS ! ) , it could be hard to create a viable zombeast. Think about a lot of 1/3, 1/1 useless beasts. That randomness makes him not to be overpowered yes but random beasts can make me crazy sometimes. So yes I have put him Tier 1 because of that RNG of it.
I was actually saying the opposite, he's quite bad really. Randomness is the thing that does make him fair, due to how inconsistent any answers are. If randomness was broken, then I suppose Hagatha the Witch and Dr. Boom, Mad Genius are too. Bloodreaver Gul'dan and Frost Lich Jaina thrash him, because their hero power is consistent. It's just hard to think he's unfair when he gets so badly beaten by these cards.
That's my list for Death Knights, If you ask other hero cards, they won't go in that list because they won't leave standard with death knight cards so it is not fair to compare death knights with other hero cards.
But their list is like;
S Tier Lord Jaraxxus (Yeah I know this isn't a hero card and can be interrupted with some techs but I have to put him here because he will never leave standard and he is a hero replacer.)
Yeah Tier 1. I have been so irresolute to put him in tier 1 but well he is not S tier good in some matchups, not like Bloodreaver Gul'dan and its heropower is random, which makes Deathstalker Rexxar not balanced. When we got tons of expansions with tons of trash beasts with tons of new expansions ( YES ! DAMN FILLERS ! ) , it could be hard to create a viable zombeast. Think about a lot of 1/3, 1/1 useless beasts. That randomness makes him not to be overpowered yes but random beasts can make me crazy sometimes. So yes I have put him Tier 1 because of that RNG of it.
I was actually saying the opposite, he's quite bad really. Randomness is the thing that does make him fair, due to how inconsistent any answers are. If randomness was broken, then I suppose Hagatha the Witch and Dr. Boom, Mad Genius are too. Bloodreaver Gul'dan and Frost Lich Jaina thrash him, because their hero power is consistent. It's just hard to think he's unfair when he gets so badly beaten by these cards.
oh, i am confused. So you think that Rexxar is tier 2 or worse ? If you say so, I don't know what to say. :)
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Tier 1: Bloodreaver Gul'dan gives you minions and heal for the late game; Frost Lich Jaina gives you huge value and healing ( also for the late game ); Deathstalker Rexxar gives you unpredictible cards that can win you the game. All of these 3 are really good at later stages of the game and help surviving with heals and minions.
Tier 2: Malfurion the Pestilent being 7-cost is really good since you can use your hero power right away and it’s very versatile with the choose one, it’s not extremely strong but it’s situational with is very good in midrange decks; Uther of the Ebon Blade essentially gives you 20 heal ( 5 armor and 3 swings from the weapon ) and it gives you an OTK win condition and an “upgraded” hero power, but the OTK is difficult to pull off on itlsef and needs help from other cards and the weapon is weak to removal, plus is a 9-cost so you can’t use the hero power right away; on the contrary Shadowreaper Anduin is an 8-cost so you can use the hero power right away, it’s great removal against big attack minions and the refreshing hero power is a strongo combo damage, but it’s anti synergistic with most healing based/priest cards.
Tier 3:Scourgelord Garrosh the weapon is really nice, basically 12 damage per swing, but you lose the ability to gain armor which is anti-synergistic with some warrior cards and the new hero power is just too situational to be considered extremely good; Thrall, Deathseer fun card, the cheapest of the Death Knights, but both his battlecry AND hero power require minions to be strong, and even then you may not get something strong out of it, it also locks you into having a lot of minions and fewer spells ( problem solved with Hagatha the Witch ) so overall also the worst of the Death Knights.
Tier ? : Valeera the Hollow it’s nice to have a semi-free turn with the stealth and the hero power is amazing value, but it’s 100% reliant on other cards so you can’t really put her in a specific spot.
not putting rexxar in tier 1 is instantly wrong dude.
playing rexxar on curve lets you out value even jaina as she will run out of clears and over the course of the game you will 100% make some unfair beasts. rexxar actually carries hunter to being top tier right now.
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Are you crazy? Gul'dan Tier 3? You clearly haven't played the game enough, its battlcry is by far the most insane out of all the DKs and then the hero power is at least like top 3 (prolly behind Rexxar and on par with Jaina) but you seriously are underestimating how ridiculously powerful a 6 dmg swing every turn is (3 dmg and 3 heal) the thing is that the warlock class with gul'dan is extremely powerful cause you can easily draw your resources which makes you more of a threat on board and then gul'dan swings the board again for you and gives you a way to negate a lot of fatigue, if you played warlock you would know that fatigue is a game gul'dan wins on its own, unless you are like 5 cards ahead on fatigue and your opponent is at 30 hp.
Are you crazy? Gul'dan Tier 3? You clearly haven't played the game enough, its battlcry is by far the most insane out of all the DKs and then the hero power is at least like top 3 (prolly behind Rexxar and on par with Jaina) but you seriously are underestimating how ridiculously powerful a 6 dmg swing every turn is (3 dmg and 3 heal) the thing is that the warlock class with gul'dan is extremely powerful cause you can easily draw your resources which makes you more of a threat on board and then gul'dan swings the board again for you and gives you a way to negate a lot of fatigue, if you played warlock you would know that fatigue is a game gul'dan wins on its own, unless you are like 5 cards ahead on fatigue and your opponent is at 30 hp.
That's because he hasn't been losing to Gul'dan lately as much as he has been losing to Rexxar and obviously Boom. ''Most op cards'' are always the cards that people like OP lose to and that are played a lot at this moment. Some players are so shortsighted that it is sad.
Theres just no way Malfurion the Pestilent is tier 3. That card has been a power house for me since it came out. At a push i would say the rexxar DK is closer to tier 2
Wow it's mind bending that you put Guldan tier 3, think you missed the days when you had to face two waves of boards fillers, that is Guldan an N'zoth but still on its own it's still the best DK and maybe hero card cause of the many reasons listed above, won me so many games and helped me get my golden portrait for warlock. Definitely the best investition you could make in this game.
FWIW - prior to the K&C nerfs, Rexxar was a meme card. No viable Hunter build was slow enough to be able to leverage the value which his Hero Power provided, and he was simply out-of-place in every viable Hunter build as a result. He still is - with the exception of Cube Hunter. His played win-rate in Cube Hunter is even. In every other Hunter build, he simply has negative synergy with the entire game-plan of every deck - "win the game by turn eight." His numbers show this - in MtG, he would be referred to as a "trap card."
The HS community is sufficiently casual and disengaged from the game, that Rexxar has emerged as one of the main "problems" with the Hunter class. Nerfing him might actually improve Hunter - people would stop running him in fast builds, and replace him with a card that actually contributed to the game-plan of their fast decks. As it is, those fast decks are tanking their win-rates every time Rexxar kills their tempo.
Can you All stop nitpicking and understand that (while you are right,the only DK's were the ones in KOFT) that Is NOT the point of this post,he obviously meant Hero cards (you know,he included All except jaraxxus for some reason) and this post Is about the Power level of each card
S Tier;
Bloodreaver Gul'dan
Tier 1;
Deathstalker Rexxar
Frost Lich Jaina
Malfurion the Pestilent
Tier 2;
Valeera the Hollow
Shadowreaper Anduin
Uther of the Ebon Blade
Thrall, Deathseer
Tier 3;
Scourgelord Garrosh
That's my list for Death Knights, If you ask other hero cards, they won't go in that list because they won't leave standard with death knight cards so it is not fair to compare death knights with other hero cards.
But their list is like;
S Tier
Lord Jaraxxus (Yeah I know this isn't a hero card and can be interrupted with some techs but I have to put him here because he will never leave standard and he is a hero replacer.) ( Also he can heal you more than hero cards when you are below 10 health (except Dr. Boom, he has 7 Armor ! (WTF!) Hearthstone is not really fair at some points ... )
Tier 1
Hagatha the Witch
Dr. Boom, Mad Genius
Tier 2
Zul'jin
Sorry for long post.
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Rexxar as tier one? Instantly wrong
Let me guess, top tier ''infinite value'' are the current most played ones? Yep, as shortsighted as I've expected.
Yeah Tier 1. I have been so irresolute to put him in tier 1 but well he is not S tier good in some matchups, not like Bloodreaver Gul'dan and its heropower is random, which makes Deathstalker Rexxar not balanced. When we got tons of expansions with tons of trash beasts with tons of new expansions ( YES ! DAMN FILLERS ! ) , it could be hard to create a viable zombeast. Think about a lot of 1/3, 1/1 useless beasts. That randomness makes him not to be overpowered yes but random beasts can make me crazy sometimes. So yes I have put him Tier 1 because of that RNG of it.
Memedeck-seeker. Always tries to build new decks. Hates tournements, streamers, netdecks and poor-o players.
ah, but a tournement mode could be great !!!
I was actually saying the opposite, he's quite bad really. Randomness is the thing that does make him fair, due to how inconsistent any answers are. If randomness was broken, then I suppose Hagatha the Witch and Dr. Boom, Mad Genius are too. Bloodreaver Gul'dan and Frost Lich Jaina thrash him, because their hero power is consistent. It's just hard to think he's unfair when he gets so badly beaten by these cards.
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oh, i am confused. So you think that Rexxar is tier 2 or worse ? If you say so, I don't know what to say. :)
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Tier 1: Bloodreaver Gul'dan gives you minions and heal for the late game; Frost Lich Jaina gives you huge value and healing ( also for the late game ); Deathstalker Rexxar gives you unpredictible cards that can win you the game. All of these 3 are really good at later stages of the game and help surviving with heals and minions.
Tier 2: Malfurion the Pestilent being 7-cost is really good since you can use your hero power right away and it’s very versatile with the choose one, it’s not extremely strong but it’s situational with is very good in midrange decks; Uther of the Ebon Blade essentially gives you 20 heal ( 5 armor and 3 swings from the weapon ) and it gives you an OTK win condition and an “upgraded” hero power, but the OTK is difficult to pull off on itlsef and needs help from other cards and the weapon is weak to removal, plus is a 9-cost so you can’t use the hero power right away; on the contrary Shadowreaper Anduin is an 8-cost so you can use the hero power right away, it’s great removal against big attack minions and the refreshing hero power is a strongo combo damage, but it’s anti synergistic with most healing based/priest cards.
Tier 3:Scourgelord Garrosh the weapon is really nice, basically 12 damage per swing, but you lose the ability to gain armor which is anti-synergistic with some warrior cards and the new hero power is just too situational to be considered extremely good; Thrall, Deathseer fun card, the cheapest of the Death Knights, but both his battlecry AND hero power require minions to be strong, and even then you may not get something strong out of it, it also locks you into having a lot of minions and fewer spells ( problem solved with Hagatha the Witch ) so overall also the worst of the Death Knights.
Tier ? : Valeera the Hollow it’s nice to have a semi-free turn with the stealth and the hero power is amazing value, but it’s 100% reliant on other cards so you can’t really put her in a specific spot.
And i don’t even play Paladins
not putting rexxar in tier 1 is instantly wrong dude.
playing rexxar on curve lets you out value even jaina as she will run out of clears and over the course of the game you will 100% make some unfair beasts. rexxar actually carries hunter to being top tier right now.
Did you seriously put Dr. Boom, Mad Genius over Frost Lich Jaina? OMEGALUL
Tier 1: Frost Lich Jaina, Deathstalker Rexxar, Bloodreaver Gul’dan, Malfurion, the Pestilent
Tier 2: Every other Hero card
Tier 1: Rexxar, Jaina, Gul'dan
Tier 2: Zul'Jin, Hagatha, Dr. Boom, Malfurion
Tier 3: Uther, Anduin, Valeera
Tier 4: Garrosh, Thrall
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Are you crazy? Gul'dan Tier 3? You clearly haven't played the game enough, its battlcry is by far the most insane out of all the DKs and then the hero power is at least like top 3 (prolly behind Rexxar and on par with Jaina) but you seriously are underestimating how ridiculously powerful a 6 dmg swing every turn is (3 dmg and 3 heal) the thing is that the warlock class with gul'dan is extremely powerful cause you can easily draw your resources which makes you more of a threat on board and then gul'dan swings the board again for you and gives you a way to negate a lot of fatigue, if you played warlock you would know that fatigue is a game gul'dan wins on its own, unless you are like 5 cards ahead on fatigue and your opponent is at 30 hp.
That's because he hasn't been losing to Gul'dan lately as much as he has been losing to Rexxar and obviously Boom. ''Most op cards'' are always the cards that people like OP lose to and that are played a lot at this moment. Some players are so shortsighted that it is sad.
Theres just no way Malfurion the Pestilent is tier 3. That card has been a power house for me since it came out. At a push i would say the rexxar DK is closer to tier 2
I would probably move Druid DK up a tier, but nice list!
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Wow it's mind bending that you put Guldan tier 3, think you missed the days when you had to face two waves of boards fillers, that is Guldan an N'zoth but still on its own it's still the best DK and maybe hero card cause of the many reasons listed above, won me so many games and helped me get my golden portrait for warlock. Definitely the best investition you could make in this game.
tier 1 : Guldan, rexxar, and Jaina (all 3 makes you win games on their own and that is why i put them higher then Malfurion and dr. boom)
tier 2 : Malfurion, Dr. boom (these two can be included in any decks)
tier 3: everything else is playable and very good in some decks
İs guldan on tier three???????? lmao what a garbage post
Based on played win-rate data from HSReplays, the DKs and Heroes are ranked as follows -
Bloodreaver Gul'dan +12%
Uther of the Ebon Blade +9%
Frost Lich Jaina +8%
Valeera the Hollow +7%
Shadowreaper Anduin +6%
Malfurion the Pestilent +1%
Zul'jin +0%
Dr. Boom, Mad Genius -1%
Thrall, Deathseer -1%
Scourgelord Garrosh -4%
Deathstalker Rexxar -12%
Hagatha the Witch -14%
FWIW - prior to the K&C nerfs, Rexxar was a meme card. No viable Hunter build was slow enough to be able to leverage the value which his Hero Power provided, and he was simply out-of-place in every viable Hunter build as a result. He still is - with the exception of Cube Hunter. His played win-rate in Cube Hunter is even. In every other Hunter build, he simply has negative synergy with the entire game-plan of every deck - "win the game by turn eight." His numbers show this - in MtG, he would be referred to as a "trap card."
The HS community is sufficiently casual and disengaged from the game, that Rexxar has emerged as one of the main "problems" with the Hunter class. Nerfing him might actually improve Hunter - people would stop running him in fast builds, and replace him with a card that actually contributed to the game-plan of their fast decks. As it is, those fast decks are tanking their win-rates every time Rexxar kills their tempo.