Looks like a very strong Treant-enabler. It has no place in the current Token Druid though. The deck needs to be completely different. Perhaps it could even trade Ultimate Infestation for Living Mana and have Treespeaker and Tending Tauren at its top end.
Having tried a bit of treant druid recently, I generally find that it's very hard to stick treants to the board in the early turns. So realistically this is usually going to be at best a 5-mana 4/4 with 'give a treant +3/+3'. Which is still decent, if not spectacular.
If I unpack any of these I'll give it a go, but I doubt I would craft one.
I think that this is a very good card that is being underrated because people have too-high expectations. Rather than go for some crazy Living Mana combo, playing Landscaping on 3, value-trading some 1/1 doods, and then coining this guy out for 14/14 in stats on turn 4 is a REALLY powerful play that could end some games. Just looking at this from a vanilla perspective, that is the equivalent to a Fungalmancer, with 4 additional stats, and a condition that you can easily fulfill with normal playing.
Also, you can play Spreading Plague and Soul of the Forest, and most decks will have to cut through your scarabs on the next turn, leaving a board of treants. You can attack with these minions for 2-damage each, and then upgrade them with +3/+3 for the next turn.
Finally, unlike Fungalmancer and Bonemare, this is a 4/4 for 5-mana, which is just bad tempo for the cost, as opposed to catastrophic tempo.
This is quite a good buff! There's a world where I want to play this. I don't exactly know if that world is now.
The fact that they can't attack the turn their summoned is a bummer, but there are reasonable ways to get around that.
That said, ever since losing the taunt-giggling package, I have felt that token druid was a little lacking. Maybe this gives them back that beefy edge that massive scarabs used to fill.
Treant druid won´t happen outside of meme decks and low ranking until rotation, and it needs more support card. This helps, but isn´t enough when you compare it to the current meta druid decks.
Every time I see an argument like "But token druid doesn't use treants, this card is garbage" I cringe sooo much. This is kind of the whole point of expansions. To bring new decks around, or kind of switch up archetypes a bit. Obviously Boomsday kinda failed in bringing new deck packages (outside of a couple mech paladins I guess, but even those fell apart pretty quickly), but you have to open your minds, just a little bit.
As people have said, it's not very hard to get good value out of this. If any treants manage to stick at all, you can snowball an early "kind of" lead into a "time to win" lead very quickly.
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I really think we are so close to getting some hot, juicy treant action. Treants tend not to stick in the same way as guys tend not to stick in paladin games. Treants and guys both have synergy with their respective class, albeit a different statline.
Once your opponent knows you are playing a treant deck they will get destroyed as soon as they're played and there aren't enough cards IMHO to make it work once those treants die.
Yes I know but it's still a "tree being" so it depends how general you want to be. Because there is a lot of tree beings in the game so if they put the word "Treant" at the bottom of the card (much like Beast, Pirate etc) it would help with card interactions.
Now imagine if Blizzard updated Force of Nature and give them RUSH ;")
Wouldnt matter because they are transformed and then will be instantly put to sleep, so you wont be able to attack anyway.
Yeah i know this. But Force of Nature need's update, in this case still would be balanced. It could be in case of emergency potencially board clear. So with combos which i described, this card would be even better (standalone) but not game braking.
Looks like a very strong Treant-enabler. It has no place in the current Token Druid though. The deck needs to be completely different. Perhaps it could even trade Ultimate Infestation for Living Mana and have Treespeaker and Tending Tauren at its top end.
Having tried a bit of treant druid recently, I generally find that it's very hard to stick treants to the board in the early turns. So realistically this is usually going to be at best a 5-mana 4/4 with 'give a treant +3/+3'. Which is still decent, if not spectacular.
If I unpack any of these I'll give it a go, but I doubt I would craft one.
I think that this is a very good card that is being underrated because people have too-high expectations. Rather than go for some crazy Living Mana combo, playing Landscaping on 3, value-trading some 1/1 doods, and then coining this guy out for 14/14 in stats on turn 4 is a REALLY powerful play that could end some games. Just looking at this from a vanilla perspective, that is the equivalent to a Fungalmancer, with 4 additional stats, and a condition that you can easily fulfill with normal playing.
Also, you can play Spreading Plague and Soul of the Forest, and most decks will have to cut through your scarabs on the next turn, leaving a board of treants. You can attack with these minions for 2-damage each, and then upgrade them with +3/+3 for the next turn.
Finally, unlike Fungalmancer and Bonemare, this is a 4/4 for 5-mana, which is just bad tempo for the cost, as opposed to catastrophic tempo.
2 Stars needs more support.
Though token druids generally go face the same turn after they buff, do they not? You can't attack with the ancients the turn they transform.
This is quite a good buff! There's a world where I want to play this. I don't exactly know if that world is now.
The fact that they can't attack the turn their summoned is a bummer, but there are reasonable ways to get around that.
That said, ever since losing the taunt-giggling package, I have felt that token druid was a little lacking. Maybe this gives them back that beefy edge that massive scarabs used to fill.
Soul of the Forest you board. what there gonna do trade Kappa you just gonna play Treespeaker
btw Landscaping and Treespeaker is a 8 mana 14/14 stats on board lastly pray for wild there have Poison Seeds
huh? it's two 5/5s so it's 8 mana 10/10
EDIT: Plus the 4/4 dude. gotcha
Treant druid won´t happen outside of meme decks and low ranking until rotation, and it needs more support card. This helps, but isn´t enough when you compare it to the current meta druid decks.
Every time I see an argument like "But token druid doesn't use treants, this card is garbage" I cringe sooo much. This is kind of the whole point of expansions. To bring new decks around, or kind of switch up archetypes a bit. Obviously Boomsday kinda failed in bringing new deck packages (outside of a couple mech paladins I guess, but even those fell apart pretty quickly), but you have to open your minds, just a little bit.
As people have said, it's not very hard to get good value out of this. If any treants manage to stick at all, you can snowball an early "kind of" lead into a "time to win" lead very quickly.
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Force of Nature welcome back, old friend. This with Treespeaker at turn 10. Next turn Savage Roar with Tending Tauren or alone Cenarius - might be quite strong if some survive. Slow but interesting and balanced. Now imagine if Blizzard updated Force of Nature and give them RUSH ;")
Wouldnt matter because they are transformed and then will be instantly put to sleep, so you wont be able to attack anyway.
Rusty Recycler
Ironic. It could recycle others, but not itself.
I really think we are so close to getting some hot, juicy treant action. Treants tend not to stick in the same way as guys tend not to stick in paladin games. Treants and guys both have synergy with their respective class, albeit a different statline.
Once your opponent knows you are playing a treant deck they will get destroyed as soon as they're played and there aren't enough cards IMHO to make it work once those treants die.
7/7 since you are "losing" a 2/2 for it
You will definitely want to attack with your treant first (unless it's going to die). So effectively you will still get one last hit before it dies.
Rusty Recycler
Ironic. It could recycle others, but not itself.
Ancient is not a Treant. Pic of Ancient below.
https://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/90256-treespeaker
This is much worse than giving your treants +3/+3. The ancients cannot attack right away. Also, you'll lose your Mana Treant deathrattles.
Yes I know but it's still a "tree being" so it depends how general you want to be. Because there is a lot of tree beings in the game so if they put the word "Treant" at the bottom of the card (much like Beast, Pirate etc) it would help with card interactions.
Rusty Recycler
Ironic. It could recycle others, but not itself.
Yeah i know this. But Force of Nature need's update, in this case still would be balanced. It could be in case of emergency potencially board clear. So with combos which i described, this card would be even better (standalone) but not game braking.
One day, one day they'll introduce a plant tribe with synergies and then this card may find its place... not before.
I am still salty that plant rogue will never be a thing in standard... those Un'goro plants are leaving (