There is no problem have tons of cards and powerful decks in Wild, the problem is one card be much more powerful than the others, draw all combo pieces for only 4 manas in a combo deck is the same aggro have a 5/5 charge for 1 mana.
Can we stop with this "Standard Elitism" attitude?
Just because something doesn't affect you, it doesn't mean that's its not unhealthy for the game.
This isn't elitism. It's simply how eternal formats operate in all card games (or at least how they've operated in the CCGs I've played). Bizz goofed when they tried to balance an eternal format.
There is no problem have tons of cards and powerful decks in Wild, the problem is one card be much more powerful than the others, draw all combo pieces for only 4 manas in a combo deck is the same aggro have a 5/5 charge for 1 mana.
Don't make sense and need to be nerfed.
You have a fundamental lack of understanding of a universal concept:
Sometimes more is less
Lots of powerful cards in Wild. But not many powerful decks. Take a look at the VS report. ZERO Tier 3 decks. There is virtually no diversity in Wild once you get near Legend. Every Rogue is Odd, every Shaman Even, every Priest Big, every Warlock Reno, every Mage Aluneth ...
While you are taking a look at the report, ponder some of the numbers of JP Druid decks. Their win rates. Their play rates. And explain how to use those numbers to back up your assertions.
And if you can't, stop spamming the same BS in every thread.
Can we stop with this "Standard Elitism" attitude?
Just because something doesn't affect you, it doesn't mean that's its not unhealthy for the game.
This isn't elitism. It's simply how eternal formats operate in all card games (or at least how they've operated in the CCGs I've played). Bizz goofed when they tried to balance an eternal format.
MTG and Yugi-oh have eternal formats but keep them alive with a ban system.
Ban Psychomelon and (prenerf)Naga and Wild will be fine.
MTG and Yugi-oh have eternal formats but keep them alive with a ban system.
Ban Psychomelon/Naga and Wild will be fine.
YGO's eternal format is no bans - unless that has changed since I stopped playing, and I don't think it has.
The last time I see, many years ago, Raigeki and other cards are banned, but I can be wrong here, Yugi-oh never was my thing.
MTG have tons of banned cards and restricted cards and diferent eternal formats where the only diference is all restricted are banned if my memory don't failing me now.
The last time I see, many years ago, Raigeki and other cards are banned, but I can be wrong here, Yugi-oh never was my thing.
MTG have tons of banned cards and restricted cards and diferent eternal formats where the only diference is all restricted are banned if my memory don't failing me now.
In YGO, Advanced Format uses the Forbidden & Limited list. Traditional (eternal), allows all cards. There is no set rotation.
In MTG, Vintage is the eternal format. While a small number of cards are banned, they are for mechanical reasons, not power level. (For example if the Norzdormu bug could not be fixed, the card would simply be eliminated.)
Can we stop with this "Standard Elitism" attitude?
Just because something doesn't affect you, it doesn't mean that's its not unhealthy for the game.
This isn't elitism. It's simply how eternal formats operate in all card games (or at least how they've operated in the CCGs I've played). Bizz goofed when they tried to balance an eternal format.
MTG and Yugi-oh have eternal formats but keep them alive with a ban system.
Ban Psychomelon and (prenerf)Naga and Wild will be fine.
That's nice. But HS is HS, and I really don't give a hoot what other games do. I don't want bans.
You like those games better? Great!!! Play them and GTFO. You contribute nothing but the same salty drivel in every thread.
Found ourselves a star aligner druid player ladies and gentleman, he/she has spent most of the day defending the deck. haha, so not surprised to see this kind of response, doesn't want his beloved deck to get nerfed. xD
And, unlike you, he/she is very happy with Hearthstone.
Can we stop with this "Standard Elitism" attitude?
Just because something doesn't affect you, it doesn't mean that's its not unhealthy for the game.
This isn't elitism. It's simply how eternal formats operate in all card games (or at least how they've operated in the CCGs I've played). Bizz goofed when they tried to balance an eternal format.
MTG and Yugi-oh have eternal formats but keep them alive with a ban system.
Ban Psychomelon and (prenerf)Naga and Wild will be fine.
Eliminate the current problem decks and the rest of Wild is perfectly balanced...okay, whatever, you are dreaming. What could possibly go wrong, I mean there is no way a new broken deck will emerge to dominate the meta? I mean it's not like people gravitate to the strongest decks at high ranks to win, right? Same shit different piles. Heavy is the head that wears the crown (we are talking 5-L in this thread, correct?)
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Can we stop with this "Standard Elitism" attitude?
Just because something doesn't affect you, it doesn't mean that's its not unhealthy for the game.
This isn't elitism. It's simply how eternal formats operate in all card games (or at least how they've operated in the CCGs I've played). Bizz goofed when they tried to balance an eternal format.
MTG and Yugi-oh have eternal formats but keep them alive with a ban system.
Ban Psychomelon and (prenerf)Naga and Wild will be fine.
That's nice. But HS is HS, and I really don't give a hoot what other games do. I don't want bans.
You like those games better? Great!!! Play them and GTFO. You contribute nothing but the same salty drivel in every thread.
WTF? Why so much animosity? I don't kill your golden fish or anything...
I like HS more and exactly for that I don't want the very fun Wild format destroyed by a single extremely broken card.
Can we stop with this "Standard Elitism" attitude?
Just because something doesn't affect you, it doesn't mean that's its not unhealthy for the game.
This isn't elitism. It's simply how eternal formats operate in all card games (or at least how they've operated in the CCGs I've played). Bizz goofed when they tried to balance an eternal format.
MTG and Yugi-oh have eternal formats but keep them alive with a ban system.
Ban Psychomelon and (prenerf)Naga and Wild will be fine.
That's nice. But HS is HS, and I really don't give a hoot what other games do. I don't want bans.
You like those games better? Great!!! Play them and GTFO. You contribute nothing but the same salty drivel in every thread.
WTF? Why so much animosity? I don't kill your golden fish or anything...
I like HS more and exactly for that I don't want the very fun Wild format destroyed for a single card.
Wild is NOT destroyed by one card. It is just an inherently bad format. Ideally Blizzard will scrap it altogether in favor of something better (rotating sets).
Found ourselves a star aligner druid player ladies and gentleman, he/she has spent most of the day defending the deck. haha, so not surprised to see this kind of response, doesn't want his beloved deck to get nerfed. xD
And, unlike you, he/she is very happy with Hearthstone.
LUL, and where exactly in my comment did I say I wasn't happy with the game ? go troll somewhere else.
As much as I hate Juicy, it’s Aviana that’s the real problem. If that card were nerfed to 10 mana then at least it would require Innervate or coin too. Either that or make it so only the next minion costs 1. That card is pure cancer in a class that is already too strong.
That's not right. Aviana/Kun existed way before Psychmelon and was never oppressive at all. It should just not pull all combo pieces at once, just a 9 and 10 drop, costing something like 6 mana.
I would like to ask everyone to cool off and stop with personal attacks, if you want to continue this discussion. If you dont, i will be more than happy to lock this and issue some warnings to ppl who dont get how to behave and have a civil argument with each other.
As much as I hate Juicy, it’s Aviana that’s the real problem. If that card were nerfed to 10 mana then at least it would require Innervate or coin too. Either that or make it so only the next minion costs 1. That card is pure cancer in a class that is already too strong.
That's not right. Aviana/Kun existed way before Psychmelon and was never oppressive at all. It should just not pull all combo pieces at once, just a 9 and 10 drop, costing something like 6 mana.
It wasn't oppressive(if by that you mean tier 0 deck) before, sure. But it is/was a matter of time when Druids will get enough drawing and stalling tools. Nerf Psychomelon? Wait few expansions and something will take its place. It is a nature of wild format.
Well it may seem like an OP deck to the Topicstarter but for a fact Even Shaman is the deck with the highest winrate in wild. At rank 5 it is still at a winrate of almost 70%. Rly rly dominating.
Odd pirate rogue is close to that.
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Can we stop with this "Standard Elitism" attitude?
Just because something doesn't affect you, it doesn't mean that's its not unhealthy for the game.
There is no problem have tons of cards and powerful decks in Wild, the problem is one card be much more powerful than the others, draw all combo pieces for only 4 manas in a combo deck is the same aggro have a 5/5 charge for 1 mana.
Don't make sense and need to be nerfed.
Don't play wild?
This isn't elitism. It's simply how eternal formats operate in all card games (or at least how they've operated in the CCGs I've played). Bizz goofed when they tried to balance an eternal format.
You have a fundamental lack of understanding of a universal concept:
Lots of powerful cards in Wild. But not many powerful decks. Take a look at the VS report. ZERO Tier 3 decks. There is virtually no diversity in Wild once you get near Legend. Every Rogue is Odd, every Shaman Even, every Priest Big, every Warlock Reno, every Mage Aluneth ...
While you are taking a look at the report, ponder some of the numbers of JP Druid decks. Their win rates. Their play rates. And explain how to use those numbers to back up your assertions.
And if you can't, stop spamming the same BS in every thread.
MTG and Yugi-oh have eternal formats but keep them alive with a ban system.
Ban Psychomelon and (prenerf)Naga and Wild will be fine.
YGO's eternal format is no bans - unless that has changed since I stopped playing, and I don't think it has.
The last time I see, many years ago, Raigeki and other cards are banned, but I can be wrong here, Yugi-oh never was my thing.
MTG have tons of banned cards and restricted cards and diferent eternal formats where the only diference is all restricted are banned if my memory don't failing me now.
In YGO, Advanced Format uses the Forbidden & Limited list.
Traditional (eternal), allows all cards.
There is no set rotation.
In MTG, Vintage is the eternal format. While a small number of cards are banned, they are for mechanical reasons, not power level. (For example if the Norzdormu bug could not be fixed, the card would simply be eliminated.)
That's nice. But HS is HS, and I really don't give a hoot what other games do. I don't want bans.
You like those games better? Great!!! Play them and GTFO. You contribute nothing but the same salty drivel in every thread.
And, unlike you, he/she is very happy with Hearthstone.
Eliminate the current problem decks and the rest of Wild is perfectly balanced...okay, whatever, you are dreaming. What could possibly go wrong, I mean there is no way a new broken deck will emerge to dominate the meta? I mean it's not like people gravitate to the strongest decks at high ranks to win, right? Same shit different piles. Heavy is the head that wears the crown (we are talking 5-L in this thread, correct?)
Free to try and find a game, dealing cards for sorrow, cards for pain.
WTF? Why so much animosity? I don't kill your golden fish or anything...
I like HS more and exactly for that I don't want the very fun Wild format destroyed by a single extremely broken card.
Wild is NOT destroyed by one card. It is just an inherently bad format. Ideally Blizzard will scrap it altogether in favor of something better (rotating sets).
LUL, and where exactly in my comment did I say I wasn't happy with the game ? go troll somewhere else.
Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots.
That's not right. Aviana/Kun existed way before Psychmelon and was never oppressive at all. It should just not pull all combo pieces at once, just a 9 and 10 drop, costing something like 6 mana.
Always expect the unexpectable!
And what are you? A pro? No so shut up.
I would like to ask everyone to cool off and stop with personal attacks, if you want to continue this discussion. If you dont, i will be more than happy to lock this and issue some warnings to ppl who dont get how to behave and have a civil argument with each other.
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It wasn't oppressive(if by that you mean tier 0 deck) before, sure. But it is/was a matter of time when Druids will get enough drawing and stalling tools. Nerf Psychomelon? Wait few expansions and something will take its place. It is a nature of wild format.
Odd pirate rogue is close to that.