I am dusgusted with the Power Level of Rougue's card in this Update. Like Rogue , the class that had Tier 1 decks in almost every expansion since beta, needed more help.
You Disgust me blizzard
this card creates new arch-types not buffing existing ones... and that's really cool...
ok there is something wrong with this thread, for some reason when i clicked "Discuss this Card" button, it of course transfered me to this page but... when i got here i saw that i have voted this card as bad even tho i have never ever voted this card and the vote button does say "Change Vote". Its as something happen that makes other people who click the "Discuss this Card" button to vote it as bad automatically, i guess someone is behind all this or maybe a not.
am i the only one who has this problem?
No you are not. It is a common problem on this web site and sadly it screws with the results of the polls. It is not useful to look at the data from the polls like on “How many people voted Very Good or better” because the results are not from people voting exclusively.
I'm a bit troubled by the wording of the card. It triggers Deathrattles of random minions. What if you have two minions on the board: one with Deathrattle and one without any. Are you guaranteed to trigger the Deathrattle? Or the weapon can fizzle because it tries to trigger Deathrattle of the minion that doesn't have one?
Maybe even the new legendary too. The dream with this card of setting up an free egg activation on turn 3 (coin) is very, very strong. Unlike hunter, you don’t have to delay dropping the deathrattle card, as this triggers the turn you play it without extra mana.
This card is screaming for a deck to build around it. Could be we’ll need a few more sets of deathrattle support for that deck to be serious of course
I would love to make a voting in this community that would suggest a change in fwa - it's the hardest nerf ever. From the best weapon (in a weapon class) to one of the worst weapons in the game. I might do it but then again everybody gonna say oh man again just get over it blablabla.
Please, tell me, how to activate a Cube in turn 5 is any kind of "slow"?
But the user has a point. How do you picture this in rogue? With a cube? Well, what are you going to cube? What other DWs are you planning to run.
Shadowblade is arguably better than this and it only saw fringe play back when miracle was still popular (and Patches was still strong). The new rogue weapon is really mediocre, almost bad. If this was implemented in WotoG, then yes, I would have agreed. But rogue currently can't support a slow arch-type and the standard DWs can't really pressure the opponent.
Ok, I hate talking about something and not mentioning any examples.
So here are the current DW minions and here are the ones from the upcoming expansion. Let's Roll the Bones.
From the current DW minions I would probably make a deck w/ Cairne Bloodhoof, Carnivorous Cube, +/- Rotten Applebaum, Kobold Illusionist, Devilsaur Egg, Bloodmage Thalnos, +/- Plated Beetle. There are also other fairly good DW minions (Sherazin, Corpse Flower), but the problem is there isn't a connection between them except their on-death effect. Some of them give you health, others cards or board presence. You can probably make an egg deck, but imho that's kinda slow. In the Boomsday project Myra Rotspring comes to mind - she isn't a bad minion on her own, but the problem is, that she's too slow for a rogue.
I know, I know - we should wait until we see the rest of the set, but this also goes for you guys as well.
[edit] But, fuck me. Someone is going to make a tempo deck and I'll probably eat my words.
this card creates new arch-types not buffing existing ones... and that's really cool...
No you are not. It is a common problem on this web site and sadly it screws with the results of the polls. It is not useful to look at the data from the polls like on “How many people voted Very Good or better” because the results are not from people voting exclusively.
That is actually a very nice suggestion!
Or give it some other text. Either 2 mana with other downside or 3 mana with upside. Just anything other than this is good!
I'm a bit troubled by the wording of the card. It triggers Deathrattles of random minions. What if you have two minions on the board: one with Deathrattle and one without any. Are you guaranteed to trigger the Deathrattle? Or the weapon can fizzle because it tries to trigger Deathrattle of the minion that doesn't have one?
Play this, attack, then Doomerang to trigger it the same turn.
Currently Egg/Cube Hunter is very popular. After Boomsday hits Rogue might have a turn at this playstyle.
Obvious Deathrattle Rogue support in standard:
Devilsaur Egg
Carnivorous Cube
Mechanical Whelp
Maybe even the new legendary too. The dream with this card of setting up an free egg activation on turn 3 (coin) is very, very strong. Unlike hunter, you don’t have to delay dropping the deathrattle card, as this triggers the turn you play it without extra mana.
This card is screaming for a deck to build around it. Could be we’ll need a few more sets of deathrattle support for that deck to be serious of course
Play Dead on a Stick. Pretty good, if deathrattle Rogue is going to be a thing.
Thx blizzard !!! Give me back 2-mana Fiery War Axe You bastards !!!
<pre id="tw-target-text" class="tw-data-text tw-ta tw-text-large" dir="ltr" data-placeholder="Tłumaczenie" data-fulltext=""> </pre>doomerang doesn't trigger deathrattles in weapons: see kingsbane
So now Fiery War Axe is crying in the corner even more...
It looks like a solid card. It seems like it would enable Cube decks for the Rogue or other nice Deathrattles.
Even if the card by itself is good I don’t like it because I don’t like Deathrattle rogue.
Deathrattle rogue is a deck with bad tempo and without sources of healing.
Blizzard tried to push this archetype a lot without results in all the old expansions.
I would like to not see this archetype again and I would like to see something new instead.
The good thing about this wrapon is that you can have a minion with dr on the field so if you get oozed you still trigger the dr on the board.
Rallying Blade is an auto-include for most Paladins, I imagine this will be the same for Rogue. Even without the combo 3 damage on 3 is pretty good.
Good in a vacuum bad in practice
I would love to make a voting in this community that would suggest a change in fwa - it's the hardest nerf ever. From the best weapon (in a weapon class) to one of the worst weapons in the game. I might do it but then again everybody gonna say oh man again just get over it blablabla.
But the user has a point. How do you picture this in rogue? With a cube? Well, what are you going to cube? What other DWs are you planning to run.
Shadowblade is arguably better than this and it only saw fringe play back when miracle was still popular (and Patches was still strong). The new rogue weapon is really mediocre, almost bad. If this was implemented in WotoG, then yes, I would have agreed. But rogue currently can't support a slow arch-type and the standard DWs can't really pressure the opponent.
So once again, what synergies are you seeing?
Ok, I hate talking about something and not mentioning any examples.
So here are the current DW minions and here are the ones from the upcoming expansion. Let's Roll the Bones.
From the current DW minions I would probably make a deck w/ Cairne Bloodhoof, Carnivorous Cube, +/- Rotten Applebaum, Kobold Illusionist, Devilsaur Egg, Bloodmage Thalnos, +/- Plated Beetle. There are also other fairly good DW minions (Sherazin, Corpse Flower), but the problem is there isn't a connection between them except their on-death effect. Some of them give you health, others cards or board presence. You can probably make an egg deck, but imho that's kinda slow. In the Boomsday project Myra Rotspring comes to mind - she isn't a bad minion on her own, but the problem is, that she's too slow for a rogue.
I know, I know - we should wait until we see the rest of the set, but this also goes for you guys as well.
[edit] But, fuck me. Someone is going to make a tempo deck and I'll probably eat my words.
This is the best weapon Rogue ever had by far.
Necrium Blade and Death's Bite are the best weapons in the game now.