This card don't need a full effect to be broken, if you draw 3 is a cheaper Nourish (card see a lot of play) and even if you only draw 2 the card works as tutor for your win condition, more than very good for only 4 manas.
This is far from overhyped, in thuth, it is subestimated, only 61% of people voted meta-defining, what the other 39% are thinking? Especific undercosted heavy draw in a class can acess mana more faster, it is beyond the broken level.
This card doesn’t seem nearly as good as people are making it out to be. It’ll fit in a niche druid deck. Maybe wild, don’t know don’t care, but it won’t be worth a slot in standard
How many of y’all complaining actually have the Golden druid portrait? My guess is none.
This card doesn’t seem nearly as good as people are making it out to be. It’ll fit in a niche druid deck. Maybe wild, don’t know don’t care, but it won’t be worth a slot in standard
How many of y’all complaining actually have the Golden druid portrait? My guess is none.
I have all hero golden and play card games like this for years.
Undercosted, heavy and especific card draw is busted in any of them.
Some cards really can't work as expected and some card like Keleseth can surprise but this one is the new CtA, it is obvious that is beyound the broken level in the spot, we don't wrong here, you and everyone don't see how much busted this card is are.
Deathlord will be almost useless, since the spell comes up 1 turn later. Man.. Dirty Rat will become auto-include on basically every deck, I can even see Kingsbane running it just because of this card.
the oproblem is that Savy druids will just play Aviana+Kun+Melon so that people can't react to the Melon draw with a simple dirty rat.
How many games have you seen in championship that the key minion ( maygos, hardronox, etc) is the last card of the deck? one in deck is worthy, even if it only draws one card is double chance to draw the key legendary.
This card doesn’t seem nearly as good as people are making it out to be. It’ll fit in a niche druid deck. Maybe wild, don’t know don’t care, but it won’t be worth a slot in standard
How many of y’all complaining actually have the Golden druid portrait? My guess is none.
I do.
Adding more and targeted draw to the class which already has possibly the best draw in the game is an issue. Why? Because druids also have massive ramp and armor gain to support that draw. And the ramp and the armor gain are also draw.
It's not just about winrates, but whether druid design is in a healthy place. It's ten forking miles away from healthy.
Pretty damn good, but not meta defining since it does nothing to the board. Hardly a replacement for oaken summons.
Don't replace because the 2 cards have 0 conflict.
That is exactly the problem with druid, too many redundancy in ramp/armor/draw and this make the deck way overtuned and reliable.
It is impossible at this point the druid player run out of steam and start topdeck or don't have enough defense tools to survive or don't have draw your win condition soon enough.
Every game the druid will ramp, draw, survive and finishing perfectly because all tools have more than enough redundancy.
Fucking hell... druid have so many redundancy at this point he can play with Reno in Wild and the deck will work flawless.
The only upside I can see.. in wild anyway.. run double dirty rat, and when they play the 4 mana spell, you know precisely when to drop your rat.. still broken AF.. we definitely need some sort of tech card this expansion.. maybe a reverse thaurissan effect.. make all cards cost 1 more.. or all minions cost 1 more.. but a permanent effect.. not just that one 2/2 minion
People calling this 4 mana draw 4 are hilarious. Im sure a 7 mana 6/6 draw 3, a direct powercreep in stats AND effect to a card that was nerfed would see play. But guess what, I have literally never seen Countess Ashmore played against me. Not even once. Please tell me, what 10 drop minion does Druid play? Are you going to be teching fucking Tyrantus into your decks just for this card? How about 7 drops? Ancient of War making a comeback for the first time in a year or so? What if you draw your Lich King, the only 8 drop that Druid plays? Oh yeah, maybe you add Splintergraft to your deck. Seems like a good strategy.
Like yes, this card is decent, and will be good in Big Druid. Big Druid has never and will never really be a t1 deck because of how inconsistent it is by design. But sure, this will be strong in that deck. Maybe it sees play in Maly for consistency. But calling this 4 mana draw 4 is so ridiculously disingenuous and dense that only the Hearthstone community could come up with it. There is a huge downside with this card, honestly I would be somewhat suprised if it ever sees the light of day outside of a high tier 3-low tier 2 deck.
Edit: I realized my assertions about no 8 drops doesn't work in taunt Druid, but then again you aren't playing this card just to ruin your Master Oakheart, are you?
have you ever heard of aviana + kun?
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must be one of ben brodes last cards
Like UI, 8 manas CotW or 4 manas CtA? Right?
This card don't need a full effect to be broken, if you draw 3 is a cheaper Nourish (card see a lot of play) and even if you only draw 2 the card works as tutor for your win condition, more than very good for only 4 manas.
This is far from overhyped, in thuth, it is subestimated, only 61% of people voted meta-defining, what the other 39% are thinking? Especific undercosted heavy draw in a class can acess mana more faster, it is beyond the broken level.
This card just pissed in my cheerios.
Rob Dawg
GL in your mirror matches then.
Up till this card I was looking forward to this expansion!!!
This card doesn’t seem nearly as good as people are making it out to be. It’ll fit in a niche druid deck. Maybe wild, don’t know don’t care, but it won’t be worth a slot in standard
How many of y’all complaining actually have the Golden druid portrait? My guess is none.
I have all hero golden and play card games like this for years.
Undercosted, heavy and especific card draw is busted in any of them.
Some cards really can't work as expected and some card like Keleseth can surprise but this one is the new CtA, it is obvious that is beyound the broken level in the spot, we don't wrong here, you and everyone don't see how much busted this card is are.
the oproblem is that Savy druids will just play Aviana+Kun+Melon so that people can't react to the Melon draw with a simple dirty rat.
How many games have you seen in championship that the key minion ( maygos, hardronox, etc) is the last card of the deck? one in deck is worthy, even if it only draws one card is double chance to draw the key legendary.
Dumb.
Woke up and saw this shit. Pinched myself. Really awake. Fuck...
What forking idiot thought this was a good idea?
I do.
Adding more and targeted draw to the class which already has possibly the best draw in the game is an issue. Why? Because druids also have massive ramp and armor gain to support that draw. And the ramp and the armor gain are also draw.
It's not just about winrates, but whether druid design is in a healthy place. It's ten forking miles away from healthy.
Pretty damn good, but not meta defining since it does nothing to the board. Hardly a replacement for oaken summons.
As a super omega game designer (on the internet) and with tons of game design experience (also on the internet). This is a well designed card guyths.
There is a thing called an uninstall button. Nobody cares that you are quitting Heathstone
This makes me want to cry for all of standard and gouge my eyes out for all of wild.
Don't replace because the 2 cards have 0 conflict.
That is exactly the problem with druid, too many redundancy in ramp/armor/draw and this make the deck way overtuned and reliable.
It is impossible at this point the druid player run out of steam and start topdeck or don't have enough defense tools to survive or don't have draw your win condition soon enough.
Every game the druid will ramp, draw, survive and finishing perfectly because all tools have more than enough redundancy.
Fucking hell... druid have so many redundancy at this point he can play with Reno in Wild and the deck will work flawless.
BAD META DEFINING CARD. DUST IT
The only upside I can see.. in wild anyway.. run double dirty rat, and when they play the 4 mana spell, you know precisely when to drop your rat.. still broken AF.. we definitely need some sort of tech card this expansion.. maybe a reverse thaurissan effect.. make all cards cost 1 more.. or all minions cost 1 more.. but a permanent effect.. not just that one 2/2 minion
Seems ok.
have you ever heard of aviana + kun?
wouldn't you like to know?