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It's unfun to play agaisnt it with a shitty deck. With a well built deck it is fun.
What about Burn oriented aggro decks like Mage or Aggro Shaman?
Judging by how you describe Big Priests this fact applies on anyone except him)
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As I already said some post ago, the most games Big Priest loses is the deck beats itself with Shadow Essence into Barnes or by not finding any of their cheat stuff into the game effects at all. And of course it wins a lot by high rolling, hence this thread.
Also teach me, how do I know when I am going to play against Big Priest and can pick some of the suggested decks without ruining my current rank when I face the more common Odd Pala or Even Shaman instead.
There is not exists a deck that can counter all meta decks, just choose the deck you like and stick with it, good luck
P/S: You can beat all Odd Pala and Even Shaman players with Big Priest deck unless you have bad draw, lol
I actually played over 40 games today with a Big Priest just to remind myself how does it feel to play this deck and how does it perform.(I played it last time in Frozen Throne meta against Jade Druids). I copied the deck that had the highest winrate accroding to HS.Replay and... Got up completely raped by everything. Not only that highrolly Barnes on turn 4 sometimes don't help, but even after these shennanigans the deck still can loose to other decks such as Kathrena Hunter or Hadronox Druid (I'm not even gonna mention other Control or Combo decks that were mentioned already in this thread). I had to replace at least 6 cards to make this deck works and also add Kel'Thuzad instead of Lich King because any archetype (apart from Aggro) can kill 3-4 big dudes which is enough to pusch some damage into Priests face. I know that 40 games are not enough to make an conclusion but I casn already tell that Big Priest is not that scary,almighty and borken as you are trying to tell me there.
Let me introduce you to Big (Kathrena) Hunter! It does suprisingly well in Wild meta these days and the only matchup that is popular and where it is unfavoured is Even Shaman. All other decks are favoured and Kathrena has 50% or more winrate against them.
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Maybe the best way to fix is to make all the resurrection cards bring the cards back the way they died,, ie 1/1
Put your spoiler here.
I just don't think it's that much of a problem. Big priest can be unfun to play against when they highrolls but most of the time they don't highroll and they are very beatable. It's not like it's dominating wild, even shaman is doing that. Big priest is probably the 6th or 7th best deck in wild? And there's 10 million ways to counter it if you just don't want to lose to them.
Sorry for your bad performances. Played 14-7 with it this season, including my last two games today for rank 53 legend with 40mins to go. Overall 69-34 with it since I made the deck in December.
Now go and play the next 100 games without Barnes kappa!
who cares its been out so long with no big cries just cos someone lost against a few big priests and got pissed of to forums starts a full debate of a oldish card that isnt as strong as the guy thinks as you basically have to build your entire deck around it.
crying about a nerf for a deck that is not even a tier 1 or 2 in wild Lmao
This card must be nerfed in a healthy way indeed. Here is my suggestion:
Take the baseball bat of deletion and hit barne's ugly face with it. Then bitchslap everyone that has played and continues to play big priest.
You do realize that all meta reports are saying big priest is tier 1 right?
i play cubelock and lose 5 games in a row then i play odd paladin and get my stars back wash rinse repeat
erm just cos you are top 20 doesnt mean you can speak for a entire community as i like barnes so you dont speak for me.
Guys, Barnes increases the winrate of the deck by 18.5% when drawn.
No single card should have that much of an impact (and nothing else comes close from what I've seen).
I don't know how someone can defend barnes big priests basically does this every game
skip turn 1
skip turn 2
skip turn 3
turn 4 play barnes
turn 5 double ressurect
They either draw barnes and win the game or don't draw barnes and die. How is one card making a deck almost auto win a game not problematic.
i play cubelock and lose 5 games in a row then i play odd paladin and get my stars back wash rinse repeat
So it is basically 50% winrate. Does it sound for you like a Barnes on turn 4 every game? Doest sound for you like Barnes highrolling either Rag or Y'Shaarj instead od Obsidian Statue which is really mediocre against Control even on early turns? The Big Priest that I've played had a little bit higher winrate after tweaks that I've made.
I'm sorry to dissapoint you but you are clearly not speaking for a whole Wild community. My highest rank in wild on Asian server was even higher yet I don't claim to be speaking for a whole Wild community. If you chceck the posts that were written before and you will read all the upsides and downsides, they you would realise that Barnes can't be compared to Naga or 0 mana Raza Heropower. Barnes cripples the Big Priest deck really hard just to have right to be powerfull when played. That couldn't be said about both Giant and Raza decks.
VS meta report ranks it as the lowest Tier 1. Which was the thing that I've mentioned right one the first page of this thread. Tempostrom Meta Snapshot is shitty and unreliable. For example they still think that Reno Priest still runs on OTK builds and not on the Control ones. So I wouldn't trust this Snapshot that much)
If you like to relly on HS.Replay stats, it also shows that the Big Priest with 15 000 games played has winrate only 60% at best. Which is really not that much compared to Shamans,Rogues and Paladins. Why do you consider them fair? Because losing to a topdeck when you are playing agaisnt them feels more fair? Do you like to lose to Loatheb that locks your AOE for one turn or against turn 4 7/7 or 8/8 Draenei Carver? Or even against Aluneth Mage? Look at what this deck is capable of Turn 4 What is the deal? Why are you not against these types of decks? Tell me it is not just because based on Barnes winrate when played. Please. I already explained in first few pages how much he actually crippled the deck to actually benefit that much from Barnes, why no one answered to this yet?
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I personally think Barnes should have had something like "Battlecry: Copy the text of a minion in your deck." and then probably buff him to a 4/4 or 4/5. That way he still imitates a minion in your deck but also works better with a wider variety of cards. For example Vicious Scalehide an other minions with keywords are some examples of what could work with Barnes if he had this text. As Barnes is right now he works with deathrattles, Y'Shaarj, Rage Unbound and big minions (and only because priest can resurrect them).
Something like this would hopefully make Barnes a card that can be played in more decks without destroying his uses while removing the insane highroll he has on games right now (Just look at how much he can affect winrates on some decks). As even though Big Priest doesn't rule the meta, it is never enjoyable to lose to any deck because they drew a card and highrolled with it early in the game.
Neither reading comprehension nor math seem to be your strong suit. Discussing with someone who changes all facts to his liking is futile. I am out of this.
Again, overall win rate is not the issue. It's the difference drawing a single card in mulligan makes. The deck is something like 55-58% when it doesn't draw Barnes in Mulligan (too lazy to do exact math now, but you get the point), yet 80% when it does (61% is the average WR, with and without Barnes in mulligan).
The one card single-handedly boosts the winrate by 18% compared to the average, actually over 20% compared to the case of not drawing it.
Drawing Reno (one of the swingiest cards ever) has only a 6% impact in Renolock. Let that sink in.
It's the card that's the main problem, not the deck.
The data shows it clearly.
As for your other question, why I consider those other decks listed fair - who said that I do? I thought Pirate Warrior was too much in its prime, I also think Secret Mage is too much when it highrolls (and most of the ridiculous stuff it pulls is way before Aluneth - bigger problems is e.g. Mana Wyrm, or board flooding followed by Kirin Tor + counterspell on T3 when the opponent has no coin - these scenarios are crazier than PW was).
Yes, there are other ridiculous decks, but they work as packages (Secret Mage), and some of them probably deserve a look and some tweaking, some cards definitely look out of place when it comes to power level for the cost.
No one says everything else is fine. Barnes is just an obvious low-hanging fruit candidate that has, and needs, an easy fix.
This again does NOT solve future problems with new cards that Barnes will create. Just make the summon from the opponents deck and be done with it as I wrote in my first post here.