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Quote from definitelynotsalty >>

 I want in on the debate too!

Hey smartiepants.  The onus is on the reader not the joker/poster.  Why?  Because all great jokes need to walk that fine line.  If the joker makes the joke 100% obvious then it gets received as pure troll and dismissed.

This post, at 70% obvious (being generous), is what provides the true entertainment and effectiveness as a satirical piece.

Good day to you sir.

 

 Really? Because the way he framed it, it is exactly the same as the majority of complaint threads posted in this forum in a daily basis so what exactly do you suggest people should take him differently from others doing this seriously? In reality, nothing, which means you should take every single other post framed the same was as this one as satire rather than seriously, except they are mostly serious. If there is no active reason why one should distinguish this as it is framed the same way, are you just going to arbitrarily flag this one as satire and the others not? Or is that a distintion you make further in the thread after a bunch of posts? (Which entails you required further explanation to understand and it wasn't obvious enough like you are stating)

 

LOL! RIP hearthstone. The all mighty dire mole could not be stopped!

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Quote from Poghy >>

 You have missed the whole point of this thread.

 The point of the thread should be present clearly in the original post, whatever the point may be. If it is not there, and people miss the point because of that flaw, it is a mistake from the person that created the thread, not the readers or commentors.

 

Guys could we PLEASE make a new player archetype (Timmy/Johnny/Spike) for Mr. I don't get the fucking joke

Maybe we can guide this discussion in that manner instead of talking about all the OP cards in HS. 

We should focus on flushing the toxic FUNSPONGE out of the conversation 

Quote from TMRobinson >>

I think this guy is trying to get some sort of achievement for getting hundreds of responses to his post. Lets give him the attention he doesn't deserve.

Everyone else in the world must look small on that horse you ride

Guys calm yourselves.  This is why the turn 1 double innervate into Hemet Nesingwary was invented.

Oh wait.

Druid nerf.

Riiiiight.

But at least there's still the turn 2 coin+ double innervate into hemet if you have survived the tempo created by the infamous dire mole

i cant believe this is a thread still

Quote from El_Gorpo >>

i cant believe this is a thread still

You must be a lot of fun at parties.

*note: This comment is directed at two people in this thread, one with sincerity the other with sarcasm.

Quote from DiamondDM13>>

The OP has the obligation to provide a clear and well structured point of start for the discussion he is introducing.

He should include as much and be as thorough with his post as possible so users don't need to read through the whole thread looking for the point of the read, but simply have to read the first one and see what the OP wants to state.

If you're being meta right now you win the universe, if not, then this thread has achieved glorious levels of irony. 

Win/win

EDIT: read back a few pages, glorious irony has already been achieved.

Humans are very special...

Quote from Chocobrownies79 >>

Guys calm yourselves.  This is why the turn 1 double innervate into Hemet Nesingwary was invented.

Oh wait.

Druid nerf.

Riiiiight.

But at least there's still the turn 2 coin+ double innervate into hemet if you have survived the tempo created by the infamous dire mole

Must be troll

Nobody agrees with you.  Let it go.

His joke landed with 90% of the people here.  You're in the 10%. Therefore he was successful and justified.

Can't please everyone.

This much needed dire mole nerf (also nerf hunter) is clearly evolving into a  Team 5 nightmare, starting right at the top. Team 5 is being deystroyed from within. Given a few more weeks, it will likely infiltrate other blizzard games due to its powerful OP'ness

Look at what its doing to the Hearthpwn community. Pitting us against each other while spreading fear, anger over its seemingly innoccent 1/3 stats. 

The OP was trying to save us all. Plz, lets heed his warning b4 its past the point of no return.

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Quote from Nanaki404 >>

 (I removed the text because it was being automatically formatted in an extremely weird way, and being long, it is better to just have it this way)

 There is no law, still, if the OP for some reason expects readers to look around in the multiple pages of the thread for the point of the thread, which should be present in the original post, he has to expect people to not take this in the tone he didn't make clear in the initial post. No reader is required to read anything other than the starting post, everyone is discussing the subject made on the first post unless they decide to do so otherwise, that is the entire objective of creating these. What good is a point made on page 50 of a thread as mostly no users will be looking for that point there, but rather in the original post. So yes, it is not a legal obligation, it is just an obligation derived from common sense :) .

I will just tell you this. That second type type of "Salt" Threads is exactly the reason why I saw this thread as a normal complaint thread rather than the satire is it supposedly intended. In a see of threads created in a serious manner using the exact same framing as this one with the exact same kind of non-sense argumentation as this one, it is not possible to distinguish this one from just another of the serious posts made on a daily basis, and hence why it should be clear in the original post what this was. Because we get serious threads framed like this one on a daily basis.

I still disagree. When you frame yourself the exact same way as others doing this seriously, no minimal effort to distinguish yourself, there is no reason why people should see you as a satire rather than the exact same thing everyone else does seriously. It needs to be done corretly for the environment in question. This one didn't feel even the slightest bit odd because when you look at it compared to the environment in which it is made, it doesn't distinguish itself. Are you supposed to arbitrarily guess this one is satire while the others are not? I don't see how that is logical, to have to arbitrarily guess that rather than understand it by something tiping you off, which requires context which seems the OP ignored. When taken into context, this thread looks the same as the serious ones. Nothing odd about it.

My issue with the 3 types you made is that the OP manage to mix them all into one while not going over the top, not in a way one can consider over the top when you know the spectrum of players in this game. Reality is there are players out there that do believe the Warlock/Hunter Hero Power argument, and when you know this, how are you supposed to look at this as satire? When this is something people would do seriously? When you look at other nerf or salt threads and you see the same obvious non-sense logic being applied in an actual serious manner?

And I'll add that if he were to present the Lynessa/War Golem argument, that would tip me off because that is going tooooo far, that is going beyond what any player would go. The Warlock/Hunter Hero Power at least has basic mathematic principles one can understand, if you just disregard basic concepts of card games, Lynessa is harder to make it fly like a serious argument.

 

 

If you look at his first comment he started out by basically calling someone stupid for what they had said, so yeah it kind of makes sense he’s getting this response. He keeps calling other people stupid, when he’s the one that can’t understand a joke.

Here's how you counter dire mole:

1. mana crystal + frostbolt 

2. spam with Northshire Cleric

3. Shadow Word Pain

4. turn 2, play a 1 mana weapon + mana crystal + 2x that minion that gets charge 

happy now?  There is even more than this.  

Can we discuss this card on a serious note?  

The only time before we saw a 1-mana 1/3 neutral (or better, that didn't have a downside) was in Sir Finley Mrrgglton - and its effect could be argued was a downside in some classes, but you couldn't run two in your deck to increase the chances of a T1 1/3. 

1-mana neutrals

And for comparison, of the 1-mana class cards, SOME of them are 1/3s but ALL of them have some special effect that has class specific synergy. 

1-mana class minions

I do not think 1-mana 1/3s are OP, but I don't think they should be neutrals.   In context of the other powerful early neutral minions (because HS is not played in a vacuum and you cannot simply look at a card's mana cost and stats and say it's good or bad), a 1-mana 1/3 as a neutral allows every class to be an aggressive token deck and snowball the early game.  Where's the class identity?   I want a Hearthstone where playing against a Priest feels different than playing against a Druid, which feels entirely different than playing against a Mage.  I don't want Neutralstone where any class can run the same 20 to 24 card package. 

tl;dr - 1-mana 1/3s should be class cards, not neutrals.  Dire Mole isn't the problem, but part of a larger problem of too many high value neutral minions that have surpassed class minions.