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The deck isn't very strong right now, just fix the insane animation time

i don't think the shudderwok is the problem here, but lifedrinker, since that's what makes you loose life; an easy nerf to that card would be to only trigger if your hero is damaged; 

Quote from NiRaSt >>

i don't think the shudderwok is the problem here, but lifedrinker, since that's what makes you loose life; an easy nerf to that card would be to only trigger if your hero is damaged; 

Suggestion. Changed grumble to "return all elemental minions to your hand . they cost 1"

Bam!!!! all problems solved

Just change the card text ofSaronite Chain Gang so it summons a copy of it (Like "Battlecry: Summon a copy of Saronite Chain Gang. Set its' attack to be the same as the copy you played" except make it easier on the wording, english isn't my first language so I'm not a 100% sure how to make the text less clunky but there must be a way). Shudderwock itself is a fine, fun card that could boost Elemental and Jade shamans, there's no need to slaughter it over some dumb combo which can be easily fixed.

Qq is all we see about this card

Shudderwock is fine imo (card stand alone), its Grumble that needs to be changed.  I would love to see Grumble changed to an end of turn effect rather then a battlecry.  I think that would make Grumble much more interesting without shudderwock in the pitcher.  

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How about making his battlecry not interact with battlecry interactions like murmuring elemental's battlecry or his own battlecry? That way the combo with saronite chaingang and grumble becomes a lot less consistent because you're not guaranteed to get a copy of shudderwock and shudderwock won't trigger earlier shudderwock battlecries.

Your description of what the new card text is supposed to be is confusing.|

1. Shudderwock already doesn't count its own battlecry in its effect if it is played again.
2. Murmering Elemental only doubles the next battlecry played, it does not double the current Shudderwock's battlecry that is already happening. I've seen this mistake already three times in ladder. You HAVE to play murmering elemental on the same turn for the combo to work reliably.

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Quote from NiRaSt >>

i don't think the shudderwok is the problem here, but lifedrinker, since that's what makes you loose life; an easy nerf to that card would be to only trigger if your hero is damaged; 

 The combo would then still work with Nightblade, C'Thun (wild) and Kobold Apprentice.

I like the Warsong treatment

Quote from Fossgar >>

Leave the card as it is and instead learn how to play vs that deck.

Quote from Wonderbuster >>

Surprised that no one is suggesting that the change be similar to Yogg Saron - the Battlecries stop if it dies or leaves play or Polymorphed.

What needs fixing is the perception of the HS community. The OTK is frustrating to play against when it works, but it’s a bad deck that works infrequently. (Sure, Toast did well with it, but he’s a pro - especially with memes.) While it’s early to read a lot into the data, OTK Shaman has seen some of the most play, and the HSReplay statistics have it at a ~45% win rate. It spends the whole game playing weak draw cards and low tempo battlecry minions, leaving it vulnerable to all but the slowest control decks. 

You might compare this to the Quest Rogue nerf, which also had a poor win rate but was super polarizing. The major difference is that Quest Rogue had some OP matchups. Shudderwock OTK only has positive win rates against 3 classes, one of which is Shaman, and another - Warrior - which has seen tons of experimentation with objectively slow control play in the form of Odd Quest Warrior.

Shudderwock is a powerful card which has not seen nearly enough deck experimentation outside of the OTK. A nerf this early will ruin the card to satisfy mob mentality. 

Quote from IambicAvenger >>

What needs fixing is the perception of the HS community. The OTK is frustrating to play against when it works, but it’s a bad deck that works infrequently. (Sure, Toast did well with it, but he’s a pro - especially with memes.) While it’s early to read a lot into the data, OTK Shaman has seen some of the most play, and the HSReplay statistics have it at a ~45% win rate. It spends the whole game playing weak draw cards and low tempo battlecry minions, leaving it vulnerable to all but the slowest control decks. 

You might compare this to the Quest Rogue nerf, which also had a poor win rate but was super polarizing. The major difference is that Quest Rogue had some OP matchups. Shudderwock OTK only has positive win rates against 3 classes, one of which is Shaman, and another - Warrior - which has seen tons of experimentation with objectively slow control play in the form of Odd Quest Warrior.

Shudderwock is a powerful card which has not seen nearly enough deck experimentation outside of the OTK. A nerf this early will ruin the card to satisfy mob mentality. 

I think they should bring back dirty rat. What an awesome card it was. The deck is so reliant on so many cards that pulling a 1-1 by dirty rat would destroy the deck, or at least slow down the opponent so much they can't wiin.

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What needs fixing is the perception of the HS community. The OTK is frustrating to play against when it works, but it’s a bad deck that works infrequently. (Sure, Toast did well with it, but he’s a pro - especially with memes.) While it’s early to read a lot into the data, OTK Shaman has seen some of the most play, and the HSReplay statistics have it at a ~45% win rate. It spends the whole game playing weak draw cards and low tempo battlecry minions, leaving it vulnerable to all but the slowest control decks. 

You might compare this to the Quest Rogue nerf, which also had a poor win rate but was super polarizing. The major difference is that Quest Rogue had some OP matchups. Shudderwock OTK only has positive win rates against 3 classes, one of which is Shaman, and another - Warrior - which has seen tons of experimentation with objectively slow control play in the form of Odd Quest Warrior.

Shudderwock is a powerful card which has not seen nearly enough deck experimentation outside of the OTK. A nerf this early will ruin the card to satisfy mob mentality. 

 

 There wouldn't be a problem if Cancerwock didn't share another characteristic with Quest Rogue: the complete and total lack of a tech card that can counter it. You have no way at all to interact with the Shaman's win condition, just as you had no way to interact with a Quest Rogue's ability to complete the quest, so the entire game is decided by draw and nothing else.

 One notable difference being Shudder combo takes a while to assemble & most of the early minions are rather weak, whereas Quest Rogue just had to play the Quest, Fire Flies and couple bounces (or Mimic Pod). If they hadn't completed it by then, Igneous Elemental nets half of the quests requirement by itself.

I'm not defending Shudder OTK, I personally think it's the lamest possible way to use Shudderwock when there's plenty of things to explore, but I'm pointing out you can face race Shudder OTK more consistently (even with Control lists) than you could with Quest Rogue: Quest Rogue was just literally auto-lose to Control players, whereas CubeLock and Spiteful Priest can beat OTK Shaman with swing turns before fully assembled Shudder appears.

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Quote from IambicAvenger >>

What needs fixing is the perception of the HS community. The OTK is frustrating to play against when it works, but it’s a bad deck that works infrequently. (Sure, Toast did well with it, but he’s a pro - especially with memes.) While it’s early to read a lot into the data, OTK Shaman has seen some of the most play, and the HSReplay statistics have it at a ~45% win rate. It spends the whole game playing weak draw cards and low tempo battlecry minions, leaving it vulnerable to all but the slowest control decks. 

You might compare this to the Quest Rogue nerf, which also had a poor win rate but was super polarizing. The major difference is that Quest Rogue had some OP matchups. Shudderwock OTK only has positive win rates against 3 classes, one of which is Shaman, and another - Warrior - which has seen tons of experimentation with objectively slow control play in the form of Odd Quest Warrior.

Shudderwock is a powerful card which has not seen nearly enough deck experimentation outside of the OTK. A nerf this early will ruin the card to satisfy mob mentality. 

 

 There wouldn't be a problem if Cancerwock didn't share another characteristic with Quest Rogue: the complete and total lack of a tech card that can counter it. You have no way at all to interact with the Shaman's win condition, just as you had no way to interact with a Quest Rogue's ability to complete the quest, so the entire game is decided by draw and nothing else.

 One notable difference being Shudder combo takes a while to assemble & most of the early minions are rather weak, whereas Quest Rogue just had to play the Quest, Fire Flies and couple bounces (or Mimic Pod). If they hadn't completed it by then, Igneous Elemental nets half of the quests requirement by itself.

I'm not defending Shudder OTK, I personally think it's the lamest possible way to use Shudderwock when there's plenty of things to explore, but I'm pointing out you can face race Shudder OTK more consistently (even with Control lists) than you could with Quest Rogue: Quest Rogue was just literally auto-lose to Control players, whereas CubeLock and Spiteful Priest can beat OTK Shaman with swing turns before fully assembled Shudder appears.

It is sitting at a 41% winrate atm: https://hsreplay.net/meta/

No need to nerf, just a day 1 miracle 

This is ridiculous...Why do you people ruin everything that makes a game enjoyable? Shudderwock is a fun minion with so many other synergies! Everyone is just using the lame boring OTK cookie cutter build but there are so many other ways to get a fun OTK or Two turn kill with it that are just as easy. It is a STRONG card but IT isn't broken. It's extremely powerful but not broken.

Using the shudderwock deck doesn't mean you won't ever lose. It's no different than any other OTK deck that other classes have, the only real difference is that when you play Shudderwock you want to blow your brains out because it takes an hour for your turn to end. Get rid of the animations or speed them up. That will alleviate the main issue. If you start putting restrictions on Shudderwock's battlecry then it's just going to become a trash card that won't ever see any play.

I've had more frustrating matches against Baku hunters and Baku pally's than Shudderwock shamans.