Nightblade/Kobold Apprentice - OTK the opponent by replaying Shudderwock over and over
The Darkness - Shuffle infinite candles into opponent's deck, wasting their turn
The only problem would be having to exclude battlecries that interfere with the combo. You can't repeat it infinite times if you've played any card draw/generation such as Fire Fly before playing Grumble, as it will eventually prevent Shudderwock from bouncing itself. Certain battlecries such as Fire Elemental or Hot Spring Guardian also add a degree of randomness to the whole thing, so you should avoid playing too many copies of them to ensure you don't accidentally lose.
This card could be insane. Elemental Shaman is close to being really good the only thing it lacks is card draw and a finisher card. I think this could count as the finisher card, shamans really just lacking card draw now.
Insane power level, you can have board clear battlecry minions (eg. the 8 mana 7/7 elemental) and grumble the world shaker to repeatedly cast this. Do watch out that 4 mana 3/6 healing might not work as expected.
Turn 4 - Saronite Chain Gang Turn 5 - Nightblade Turn 6 - Grumble, Worldshaker Turn 9 - Shabberwock - it copies himself, deals dmg and bounces back his copy to hand (with 1 mana cost) Turn 10 - play 1 mana copy, repeat until victory
Grumble bounces all other minions, meaning this won't work consistently. The order in which the battlecries are copied by Shudderwock is random (confirmed on stream).
Turn 4 - Saronite Chain Gang Turn 5 - Nightblade Turn 6 - Grumble, Worldshaker Turn 9 - Shabberwock - it copies himself, deals dmg and bounces back his copy to hand (with 1 mana cost) Turn 10 - play 1 mana copy, repeat until victory
Grumble bounces all other minions, meaning this won't work consistently. The order in which the battlecries are copied by Shudderwock is random (confirmed on stream).
Won't bounce the first one but will bounce the copies made from chain gang battlecry. Plus if you play the bounced copies it duplicates the battlecry from the first copy since this card's effect is itself a BC. So second Shudderwock procs twice, third one three times, etc. only problem is battlcry triggers in random order so if Grumhle battlecry happens first then this fails.
Edit: oops you made the same point. The double battlecry from previous copies could be insane though if it does bounce
Why people think that grumble bounces this back? it doens't bounce him back.. since grumbles' battlecry read: bounce all other minions
Seems insane in wild with jades specially, in standard I need to look at the cards and see the synergies, but this is quite OP, and they said hagata is OP.
That's why you run Saronite Chain gang so that you get a copy of it as your other minion.
It is because you first have to play 1 Saronite Chain Gang. Chronologicaly, if you play it before Grumbles, the Shudderwork will first create a copy of itself, and then bounce back the copy to your hand. You then have an infinite loop every turn.
My Grumble C'thun deck will see new life in wild this expansion, I adore this card, next to the new Burgle Yogg in Rogue, this is my fave new card this expansion.
I did not catch what BBrode said on the stream, is the battlecry order random or not? If it's random (i hope so), then the absurd otk is not guarantee every time.
Turn 4 - Saronite Chain Gang Turn 5 - Nightblade Turn 6 - Grumble, Worldshaker Turn 9 - Shabberwock - it copies himself, deals dmg and bounces back his copy to hand (with 1 mana cost) Turn 10 - play 1 mana copy, repeat until victory
Grumble bounces all other minions, meaning this won't work consistently. The order in which the battlecries are copied by Shudderwock is random (confirmed on stream).
Won't bounce the first one but will bounce the copies made from chain gang battlecry. Plus if you play the bounced copies it duplicates the battlecry from the first copy since this card's effect is itself a BC. So second Shudderwock procs twice, third one three times, etc. only problem is battlcry triggers in random order so if Grumhle battlecry happens first then this fails.
Edit: oops you made the same point. The double battlecry from previous copies could be insane though if it does bounce
Ok, if it is confirmed random then the math changes, it's 50/50 with one saronite. 66% with two. You can bump it to 100% with fireplume and murmering.
The thing is that all of these individual cards are good. This will win vs slow decks (big spell etc.) Always. Because if you draw enough, you will just OTL reliably without any additional setup. Other time you have to 50 50 yolo.
Also, this card by itself MASSIVELY limits the design space in the future of hearthstone. It might look fun, but this card is terrible for our game.
Initally I thought that this card were going to be terrible, but with the reveal of Baleful Banker you can probably make a anti-ctrl Shaman deck that has infinite value and never hits fatigue. Will depend on how fast the meta ends up being.
I did not catch what BBrode said on the stream, is the battlecry order random or not? If it's random (i hope so), then the absurd otk is not guarantee every time.
The battlecries are cast in the order that you play them. :)
2 days ago Ben Brode talked about "a shaman card players are going to lose their mind on" - I guess this one was the card :). Can't wait the memes after a few days :).
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Saronite Chain Gang - summon a second Shudderwock
Grumble, Worldshaker - return the 2nd Shudderwock to your hand and reduce its cost to 1
Fire Plume Harbinger - set the cost of said Shudderwock to 0
Nightblade/Kobold Apprentice - OTK the opponent by replaying Shudderwock over and overThe Darkness - Shuffle infinite candles into opponent's deck, wasting their turn
The only problem would be having to exclude battlecries that interfere with the combo. You can't repeat it infinite times if you've played any card draw/generation such as Fire Fly before playing Grumble, as it will eventually prevent Shudderwock from bouncing itself. Certain battlecries such as Fire Elemental or Hot Spring Guardian also add a degree of randomness to the whole thing, so you should avoid playing too many copies of them to ensure you don't accidentally lose.
Im absolutely going to make a 100 damage C'thun with this guy
This card could be insane. Elemental Shaman is close to being really good the only thing it lacks is card draw and a finisher card. I think this could count as the finisher card, shamans really just lacking card draw now.
Insane power level, you can have board clear battlecry minions (eg. the 8 mana 7/7 elemental) and grumble the world shaker to repeatedly cast this. Do watch out that 4 mana 3/6 healing might not work as expected.
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It is because you first have to play 1 Saronite Chain Gang. Chronologicaly, if you play it before Grumbles, the Shudderwork will first create a copy of itself, and then bounce back the copy to your hand. You then have an infinite loop every turn.
It's really OP.
My Grumble C'thun deck will see new life in wild this expansion, I adore this card, next to the new Burgle Yogg in Rogue, this is my fave new card this expansion.
Hello Jade and C'thun in Wild lol.
I did not catch what BBrode said on the stream, is the battlecry order random or not? If it's random (i hope so), then the absurd otk is not guarantee every time.
Remember that the battlecries are in a random order, so your Grumble proc can happen before it copies itself
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Initally I thought that this card were going to be terrible, but with the reveal of Baleful Banker you can probably make a anti-ctrl Shaman deck that has infinite value and never hits fatigue.
Will depend on how fast the meta ends up being.
2 days ago Ben Brode talked about "a shaman card players are going to lose their mind on" - I guess this one was the card :). Can't wait the memes after a few days :).
“If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.” ― George Bernard Shaw
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Why use nightblade when you can use Lifedrinker ?
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