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#284 Apr 5, 2018 (Patches Nerf)
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This is one of those "I can't believe 100% of people aren't voting bad/dust it" cards for me.

It's definitely fun, and it will be cool to see some old friends back in standard here and there but good? Too slow and too random to be good.

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#285 Apr 5, 2018 (Patches Nerf)
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Quote from FrostyFeetEU >>

From the past: WILD-only Legendaries. Excluding STANDARD legendaries.

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#286 Apr 5, 2018 (Patches Nerf)
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ill be on to play this card for shits and giggles. i mean it adds a legendary from the past to your hand, Dr. 7, Yogg, Medivh, could possibly save your ass in some cases. why not give it a chance and if not take it out.

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#287 Apr 5, 2018 (Patches Nerf)
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From wild !? Em, can we get a "I dunno but it sounds interesting" voting option?

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#288 Apr 5, 2018 (Patches Nerf)

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This card is bad. I'm fucking tired. Why mage cards dont have taunt? Its stupid. This is a slow value card with no means to protect your face. Same with pyros. If at least the 6/6 and/or 10/10 had taunt it would be so much better.

This card also should have taunt idealy. Every fucking mage card is bold useless piece of stats on board. They should start giving AT LEAST SOME taunt minions for mage, otherwise it's silly.

Pick a bad card if you want to make a point first of all. Second of all, realize that class identity gives mage overpowered spells and weaker minions.

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#289 Apr 5, 2018 (Patches Nerf)
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So... If she gets Sneed's Old Shredder, will it's deathrattle only summon standard legendaries?

I did not count accurately, but I believe she has a pretty decent chance to get you some 6-10 drop with ok stats to play on curve. Some also have nice synergy with the mage heropower, like Gahz'rilla and Acidmaw.

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#290 Apr 5, 2018 (Patches Nerf)
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Turn 6 Toki, Time-Tinker

Turn 7 Dr. Boom

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#291 Apr 6, 2018 (Patches Nerf)
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Quote from notsoclutch >>

Quote from Hunterson >>

This card is bad. I'm fucking tired. Why mage cards dont have taunt? Its stupid. This is a slow value card with no means to protect your face. Same with pyros. If at least the 6/6 and/or 10/10 had taunt it would be so much better.

This card also should have taunt idealy. Every fucking mage card is bold useless piece of stats on board. They should start giving AT LEAST SOME taunt minions for mage, otherwise it's silly.

Pick a bad card if you want to make a point first of all. Second of all, realize that class identity gives mage overpowered spells and weaker minions.

This is not a bad minion by its own. It is a bad card for ladder. It has good value, but you can't protect your face properly.

The big issue for mage is holding early aggression. Mage doesn't have early game weapons to win tempo, mage doesn't have efficient enough removal like rogue, for example. Toki is good if opponent doesn't threat your life total. Like aggro paladin might do.

Volcanic Potion was at least some way to deal with early board, but 2 damage is still not good enough to clear 3 hp murlocs of aggro paly, or totems/wolves of shaman.

And here we can see that mage spells are not overpowered, as you stated. Lightning Storm deals with opponent early board development much better, and it's not even hurt your own minions as Volcanic Potion does. Arcane missiles for 7 mana is trash, Glacial Mysteries is trash, a lot of bad spells actualy. Dragon Breath is not even good enough, it restricts your own board development and has certain requirements for deck building.

Mage not only has bad spells in terms of efficiency, it doesn't have even weapons (which is a huge disadventage compared to shaman)

The secrets are bad compared to hunter secrets. The only way they can be played is by cheating their cost with additional supportive cards.

Aoe is bad actualy nowadays. Flamestrike is good enough mostly in arena, and because its from basic set. Both Warlock and Priest has better board clear tools.

Single target removal is bad compared to rogue, and even early removal is much better in rogue. Overall, rogue spells are better than mage spells, just because they are faster and cheaper, more efficient.

The class minions doesn't have taunt like EVER (?!) The only strong aspect of mage left is grind and value. But there is no class taunt minions whatsoever to support this idea. I think it is a big design mistake.

The class is in a very bad spot and nobody wants to notice that.

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#292 Apr 6, 2018 (Patches Nerf)
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With such wording...I could see them setting her up for the Classic set. Otherwise the whole "past" thing is kinda weird in HS wording. If that's the case, we could see other cards being put in Classic in the near future too.

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#296 Apr 6, 2018 (Patches Nerf)

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#299 Apr 13, 2018 (Witchwood)
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OK, for six mana you get a 5/5 body + a random Legendary card. What's not to like here?

A 5/5 body should cost 4 mana. A spell with text "add a random Legendary minion to your hand" will cost at least 2 mana, since 1 mana would be too good. So you get these effects for the same combined prize and even save the card.

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#300 Apr 13, 2018 (Witchwood)
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Quote from Ector777 >>

OK, for six mana you get a 5/5 body + a random Legendary card. What's not to like here?

A 5/5 body should cost 4 mana. A spell with text "add a random Legendary minion to your hand" will cost at least 2 mana, since 1 mana would be too good. So you get these effects for the same combined prize and even save the card.

Which makes it good enough for arena.

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#301 Apr 18, 2018 (Witchwood)
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I scewed up by making Arugal.Now i want Toki!!!

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#302 Apr 18, 2018 (Witchwood)
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I scewed up by making Arugal.Now i want Toki!!!

Why you want toki? Is not really that strong on ladder...

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#303 Apr 23, 2018 (Witchwood)
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Ice Fishing just drew Toki, Time-Tinker from the deck.

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#304 Apr 23, 2018 (Witchwood)
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Quote from SoundwaveVR >>

Ice Fishing just drew Toki, Time-Tinker from the deck.

Hidden murloc tag? Try to crab her.

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#305 Apr 23, 2018 (Witchwood)
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Quote from SoundwaveVR >>

Ice Fishing just drew Toki, Time-Tinker from the deck.

I think that is the Scroll of Wonder drawing a card, not Ice Fishing

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#306 Apr 24, 2018 (Witchwood)
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Quote from MetaRifting >>

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Ice Fishing just drew Toki, Time-Tinker from the deck.

I think that is the Scroll of Wonder drawing a card, not Ice Fishing

Scroll of Wonders cast Ice Fishing, which in turn drew Toki.

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#307 Apr 24, 2018 (Witchwood)
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Quote from definitelynotsalty >>

Quote from MetaRifting >>

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Ice Fishing just drew Toki, Time-Tinker from the deck.

I think that is the Scroll of Wonder drawing a card, not Ice Fishing

Scroll of Wonders cast Ice Fishing, which in turn drew Toki.

Scroll of Wonder reads: Cast a random spell. Draw a card. Cast this when drawn.

So when drawn, Scroll of Wonder is cast. The card then casts a random spell (Ice Fishing in this case, but no murlocs in the deck, so no further draw) Then it draws a card from the top of your deck (Toki, Time-Tinker)

Hence, its not Ice Fishing but Scroll of Wonder drawing the card.

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#308 Apr 24, 2018 (Witchwood)
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You're right.

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