So many people saying this is 7 mana do nothing... In what world drawing cards = doing nothing?? You're seriously considering playing this card on curve when you're behind on board and have no spell in hand? Well in this case yeah it does nothing, good catch LMAO
You're seriously underestimating the amount of 0-1 mana spells that Hagatha will generate.
This isn't a turn 7 play you idiots. This is turn 10+, refill your hand with your win conditions after you've played Hagatha.
This card isn't broken by any means, but it's good enough to be staple in at least one shaman deck. Now if you think Hagatha shaman deck will not see play, that's another story, but you're still kind of idiot, because this is the superstar of the witchwood and Blizzard made sure through months of testing that it will see play somewhere.
Exactly what I was going to say, to the letter.
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Like nar6 said above i think this might find a home as a one of in a deck like wild maly shaman. A lo of those lists only run 2 coldlight oracles (that you have 1 or 2 ice fishing to pull anyway), barnes, emperor, and maly. This dude could easily fetch the last piece of the puzzle late game once you start running out of steam on your draws.
In a hagatha elemental deck like some people are speculating i think it might see some play but im not entirely sure. The deck does need draw tools but im not sure thos card will fit perfectly. You run so many minions in ele shaman that whatever spells you are running are mostly important reactive cards you will use to keep in the game. Hagatha is an option to get more spells but then you've got a 7 drop that is waiting on an 8 drop to be drawn with shamans whopping 2 other draw cards. I think this card has a strong enough effect to find a home im just not sure the currently speculated minion heavy ele shaman lists have room for him.
An interesting variant on Gadgetzan Auctioneer; it has better stats and a more specific drawing effect in exchange for a higher cost.
The 6 mana I pay for Gadgetzan Auctioneer is hard to deal with, even in Miracle Rogue, a deck type all about casting cheap spells, so getting reliable use out of this card sounds nigh impossible. I could use Ancestral Spirit to help protect it and draw my first minion, but for 9 mana I want to do something more game-winning than that.
Meh. You thought Hagatha was slow? 7 mana card that doesn't affect the board in any way. What are you even trying to draw at that point? What low cost spells are you even running that would allow you to draw before it gets removed? I doubt this ever sees play.
Interesting card. I have these questions that I don't have a solid answer for, so I can't really give a good estimation of if this card is good or not.
Given Shaman's existing card draw tools, how much more draw do you need on turn 7 or later?
Since Stormwatcher has the same stats and mana cost and sees no Constructed play, is this effect good enough?
One thing this card has over Gadgetzan is the 8 health is far more difficult to deal with than Gadgetzan's. We can reasonably expect Bogshaper to survive a turn more more often than Gadgetzan, so it's less necessary to combo in the same turn. Is this surivability + effect good enough?
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cool card, but I really don't think it's all that good, seems a bit too slow, but with a mixture of other cards in a certain deck it may become usable, have to wait and see what else comes.
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Too expensive I'd say, drawing is not really what you want from your 10-mana combos. That said, there is some chance that it will be a viable strategy to just drop this on turn 7 and win the game unless it's instantly killed. You can make some nasty things happen with chaining Lightning Bolts and Unstable Evolutions, especially against decks like Control Priest that can really struggle to remove something like this.
Still, it's probably too slow. Maybe sometime in the future.
Very expensive but with more elemental support I could see this actually being played. It becomes much better with only a Fire Plume Harbinger tick.
It can indeed be compared with Stormwatcher with its stats but it can actually be combo'd in the late game with a few cheap spells or something and provide value even if it dies the next turn. And if it sticks, ouch.
I honestly just fear that "spell-shaman" will go down the same fate at buff-paladin: too slow. When you start snowballing though, you will be pretty unstoppable, but overall just not strong (enough).
The one card that could actually let Bogshaper see play is Fire Plume Harbinger. On turn 7 it's not impressive at all but what if you get to summon it as early as turn 5? Granted, that would leave you very vulnerable (t1: ???, t2: Harbinger, t3: ???, t4: Harbinger or t4: Murmuring Elemental + Harbinger) to early aggression, especially since most of the tools to contest it will move to Wild. Murkspark Eel wouldn't work in such a deck and Witch's Apprentice is not enough so Shaman needs at least one viable 1-cost (more importantly a good 4-cost) minion since Air Elemental or Dust Devil are just inferior to Fire Fly.
Too slow, too expensive. Shaman doesn't runGadgetzan Auctioneer for a reason. I doubt it will run a version that is more expensive, and can't be used to draw cards that will trigger drawing more cards.
Too slow, too expensive. Shaman doesn't runGadgetzan Auctioneer for a reason. I doubt it will run a version that is more expensive, and can't be used to draw cards that will trigger drawing more cards.
but that's literally what it does after you play hagatha
For some reason when I first looked at it I got the color wrong and thought it was mage, with my immediate thought being "OMG, quest mage will always have their combo now!!" ... then I realized it's Shaman, which is perfectly fine imo :)
Tol'vir is bad. Why no Blazecallers? I would also change Axe and at least 1 Manatide to Volcanoes.
By the way, Grumble, Worldshaker is very situational card. I was testing it last season and there were just a few games when he did any profit. But maybe it could be better with Hagatha...
Seems decent might work with the new szaman hero
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Like nar6 said above i think this might find a home as a one of in a deck like wild maly shaman. A lo of those lists only run 2 coldlight oracles (that you have 1 or 2 ice fishing to pull anyway), barnes, emperor, and maly. This dude could easily fetch the last piece of the puzzle late game once you start running out of steam on your draws.
In a hagatha elemental deck like some people are speculating i think it might see some play but im not entirely sure. The deck does need draw tools but im not sure thos card will fit perfectly. You run so many minions in ele shaman that whatever spells you are running are mostly important reactive cards you will use to keep in the game. Hagatha is an option to get more spells but then you've got a 7 drop that is waiting on an 8 drop to be drawn with shamans whopping 2 other draw cards. I think this card has a strong enough effect to find a home im just not sure the currently speculated minion heavy ele shaman lists have room for him.
An interesting variant on Gadgetzan Auctioneer; it has better stats and a more specific drawing effect in exchange for a higher cost.
The 6 mana I pay for Gadgetzan Auctioneer is hard to deal with, even in Miracle Rogue, a deck type all about casting cheap spells, so getting reliable use out of this card sounds nigh impossible. I could use Ancestral Spirit to help protect it and draw my first minion, but for 9 mana I want to do something more game-winning than that.
Meh. You thought Hagatha was slow? 7 mana card that doesn't affect the board in any way. What are you even trying to draw at that point? What low cost spells are you even running that would allow you to draw before it gets removed? I doubt this ever sees play.
Interesting card. I have these questions that I don't have a solid answer for, so I can't really give a good estimation of if this card is good or not.
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cool card, but I really don't think it's all that good, seems a bit too slow, but with a mixture of other cards in a certain deck it may become usable, have to wait and see what else comes.
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Too expensive I'd say, drawing is not really what you want from your 10-mana combos. That said, there is some chance that it will be a viable strategy to just drop this on turn 7 and win the game unless it's instantly killed. You can make some nasty things happen with chaining Lightning Bolts and Unstable Evolutions, especially against decks like Control Priest that can really struggle to remove something like this.
Still, it's probably too slow. Maybe sometime in the future.
Very expensive but with more elemental support I could see this actually being played. It becomes much better with only a Fire Plume Harbinger tick.
It can indeed be compared with Stormwatcher with its stats but it can actually be combo'd in the late game with a few cheap spells or something and provide value even if it dies the next turn. And if it sticks, ouch.
I honestly just fear that "spell-shaman" will go down the same fate at buff-paladin: too slow. When you start snowballing though, you will be pretty unstoppable, but overall just not strong (enough).
Bad card.
Shit.
The one card that could actually let Bogshaper see play is Fire Plume Harbinger. On turn 7 it's not impressive at all but what if you get to summon it as early as turn 5? Granted, that would leave you very vulnerable (t1: ???, t2: Harbinger, t3: ???, t4: Harbinger or t4: Murmuring Elemental + Harbinger) to early aggression, especially since most of the tools to contest it will move to Wild. Murkspark Eel wouldn't work in such a deck and Witch's Apprentice is not enough so Shaman needs at least one viable 1-cost (more importantly a good 4-cost) minion since Air Elemental or Dust Devil are just inferior to Fire Fly.
so much hate! card seems pretty good to me. draw is like, the most powerful thing in the game.
it'll be pretty funny if hagatha shaman is tier 1
Too slow, too expensive. Shaman doesn't runGadgetzan Auctioneer for a reason. I doubt it will run a version that is more expensive, and can't be used to draw cards that will trigger drawing more cards.
2/4 on turn 2 with only one played card? Is it a totem golem?
For some reason when I first looked at it I got the color wrong and thought it was mage, with my immediate thought being "OMG, quest mage will always have their combo now!!" ... then I realized it's Shaman, which is perfectly fine imo :)
Card draw for elemental shaman? Sign me up. I'm growing to like Hagatha as more and more cards are revealed.
I don't think people realize how bad it is for elemental shamans to go topdecking, and that's happened to me more times than I'm proud of.