Comparing it with Truesilver Champion without the Burgle effect clearly loses as a standalone card.
Now even with a Deadly Poison its just a bit better than Truesilver in terms of healing (which is bad because its a 2-card combo).
Swashburglar is rotating out the main Burgle card Rogue was using,i just dont see this card to be actually somewhat useable , my hopes for Rogue Weapons were never high and thus getting used to crappy weapons.
Still hoping for a High-Attack 1 Durability Cheap Rogue Weapon to combo with Blade Flurry but nah.
Odd Rogue gets infinite 2/2 daggers for 2 mana each, and there are other ways to heal.
However, I have to take issue with all the Kingsbane comparisons. Kingsbane is a win condition you have to build a deck around. You don't really do that with Spectral Cutlass because it's not a win condition. You simply put it into any deck that has burgle effects and reap the benefits.
But without Swashburglar, I'm not sure such a deck will exist.
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the only "from your opponent's class" card that will be in standard is Hallucination could be fun in later expansions but almost never better then Kingsbane.
In Wild maybe, but burgle never see competitive play in Standard, this weapon don't have close the power needed to have a chance in a broken format like Wild.
This new theme of giving rogues, *the class with a hero power that makes weapons*, weapons that can be used indefinitely... really? Kingsbane, and now this? Is Rogue's new class identity the class that has a hero power that can't be used 90% of the time?
This card is meh. It doesn't do enough damage to be worth it. To make it worth it, you'd need to buff the weapon a lot, and at that point, why are you not just running Kingsbane?
Guys what are u talking bout? Oracles are going to HoF so if u are talking about Kingsbane being good after Witchwood hit in... Reconsider it :P Kingsbane is gonna go to the trash tier without those draws since there wont be enough consistency... Heck! Even now i have games where i am not able to get Kingsbane in like t8 or even later.
@edit: And honestly i'd love to see steal rogue on ladder. RNG decks ftw!
This new theme of giving rogues, *the class with a hero power that makes weapons*, weapons that can be used indefinitely... really? Kingsbane, and now this? Is Rogue's new class identity the class that has a hero power that can't be used 90% of the time?
This card is meh. It doesn't do enough damage to be worth it. To make it worth it, you'd need to buff the weapon a lot, and at that point, why are you not just running Kingsbane?
I voted dust it, because burgled rogue won't be a thing without good burgled cards. But - there is a chance, it's slight, and may make this card semi playable (ofc I'm not considering wide range of weapon removals last expansions gave us) - you may put in your deck every single burgling card that isn't rotating and make another, let's say, 2/3 of the deck combo and pirate cards. It may win you some matches in ranks 20-15. Nonetheless it will never be a thing and your wins will mostly be possible due to surprise effect - noone would forsee, that anybody would play burgle rogue in 2k18, also Noone would know what cards would you get from most of burgling cards. This was for standard. In wild - it's unplayable unless you do it for fun in normals
I'm really sad to see this card. It means they're gonna print another bullshit thief rogue card ('cus the only one left in standard will be Hallucination and I refuse to think they'd print such a shitty card without even shittier support) and probably no weapon buffs.
I'm really sad to see this card. It means they're gonna print another bullshit thief rogue card ('cus the only one left in standard will be Hallucination and I refuse to print they'd print such a shitty card without even shittier support) and probably no weapon buffs.
Instead of hoping they'll toss part of the class identity to the curb, it might be more realistic to hope that they re-examine the way they design burgle cards. So far, they've always been overpriced or understatted. If they started giving you your mana's worth, cards like these wouldn't be so painful to play -- even if the effect isn't exactly your cup of tea.
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I love playing burgle rogue but admit it isn't a consistent deck, it is just ridiculously fun and makes you think a lot on every game.
Most of the cards are rotating out, but maybe everyone is forgetting Lilian Voss, not that it is viable. Maybe there will be other new cards not yet released?
Would I play a 2-2 weapon for 4? Nah. 2-3 weapon for 4? Nah. 2-4 weapon for 4? Nah. 2-5 weapon for 4? Nah.
... Gutter trash.
But would you play a 2-mana 2/2 weapon with this effect if it said "battlecry: add Leeching Poison to your hand"? Because that's kind of what this weapon is.
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Would I play a 2-2 weapon for 4? Nah. 2-3 weapon for 4? Nah. 2-4 weapon for 4? Nah. 2-5 weapon for 4? Nah.
... Gutter trash.
But would you play a 2-mana 2/2 weapon with this effect if it said "battlecry: add Leeching Poison to your hand"? Because that's kind of what this weapon is.
I wouldn't. I would rather spend 3 mana on a 1/3 lifesteal weapon that never dies.
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Kingsbane is played in only one archetype. This could see play in others. Simple as that.
Id rather just run kingsbane with the lifesteal
Overcosted by 1 mana...I think at 3-mana, you'd could consider this card.
I was hoping for more potions, not more weapons.
Voted Dust it!
Comparing it with Truesilver Champion without the Burgle effect clearly loses as a standalone card.
Now even with a Deadly Poison its just a bit better than Truesilver in terms of healing (which is bad because its a 2-card combo).
Swashburglar is rotating out the main Burgle card Rogue was using,i just dont see this card to be actually somewhat useable , my hopes for Rogue Weapons were never high and thus getting used to crappy weapons.
Still hoping for a High-Attack 1 Durability Cheap Rogue Weapon to combo with Blade Flurry but nah.
Odd Rogue gets infinite 2/2 daggers for 2 mana each, and there are other ways to heal.
However, I have to take issue with all the Kingsbane comparisons. Kingsbane is a win condition you have to build a deck around. You don't really do that with Spectral Cutlass because it's not a win condition. You simply put it into any deck that has burgle effects and reap the benefits.
But without Swashburglar, I'm not sure such a deck will exist.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
the only "from your opponent's class" card that will be in standard is Hallucination could be fun in later expansions but almost never better then Kingsbane.
In Wild maybe, but burgle never see competitive play in Standard, this weapon don't have close the power needed to have a chance in a broken format like Wild.
Not really sure why you'd ever want to run this over a card like kingsbane, this doesn't seem all that good to me.
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Well, obviously good in the burgle Rogue, but... eh, that's not really saying much.
..........but how in the world does this singlehandedly beat Cubelock or Merr-luck Paladin?
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This new theme of giving rogues, *the class with a hero power that makes weapons*, weapons that can be used indefinitely... really? Kingsbane, and now this? Is Rogue's new class identity the class that has a hero power that can't be used 90% of the time?
This card is meh. It doesn't do enough damage to be worth it. To make it worth it, you'd need to buff the weapon a lot, and at that point, why are you not just running Kingsbane?
Guys what are u talking bout? Oracles are going to HoF so if u are talking about Kingsbane being good after Witchwood hit in... Reconsider it :P Kingsbane is gonna go to the trash tier without those draws since there wont be enough consistency... Heck! Even now i have games where i am not able to get Kingsbane in like t8 or even later.
@edit: And honestly i'd love to see steal rogue on ladder. RNG decks ftw!
@Obilis: Valeera. Or just steal some other DK :D
I voted dust it, because burgled rogue won't be a thing without good burgled cards. But - there is a chance, it's slight, and may make this card semi playable (ofc I'm not considering wide range of weapon removals last expansions gave us) - you may put in your deck every single burgling card that isn't rotating and make another, let's say, 2/3 of the deck combo and pirate cards. It may win you some matches in ranks 20-15. Nonetheless it will never be a thing and your wins will mostly be possible due to surprise effect - noone would forsee, that anybody would play burgle rogue in 2k18, also Noone would know what cards would you get from most of burgling cards. This was for standard. In wild - it's unplayable unless you do it for fun in normals
Well actually i dont play wild and just realized cards like: Swashburglar, Ethereal Peddler or Shaku are rotating out in a moment. Damn ;_;
I'm really sad to see this card. It means they're gonna print another bullshit thief rogue card ('cus the only one left in standard will be Hallucination and I refuse to think they'd print such a shitty card without even shittier support) and probably no weapon buffs.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
I love playing burgle rogue but admit it isn't a consistent deck, it is just ridiculously fun and makes you think a lot on every game.
Most of the cards are rotating out, but maybe everyone is forgetting Lilian Voss, not that it is viable. Maybe there will be other new cards not yet released?
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