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Quote from mushka >>

Can't find any info on crafting Rag/Silvanas. I kinda want to craft them and try to finish LoE Heroic mode (the only adventure's card back i didnt earn so far). Are they refundable after new HoF rotation or is it just a waste of dust?

Quote from coffeefreak >>

Today when I logged into Hearthstone, (HoF not live, but Molten Giant reverse nerf is live) I received 3200 dust for two golden Molten Giants. But I also received an additional 1675 dust for a total of 4875 dust. I spent 7000 dust to craft goldens in anticipation of HoF (two golden Molten Giants, two golden Ice Block, and one golden Coldlight Oracle). 

So why the odd amount of dust?

Theory #1:

The Molten Giant reverse nerf is live today, but HoF isn't yet.  Maybe I received dust for both my two regular and two golden Molten Giants: 3200 + 1600. But that still leaves 875 dust unaccounted for.

Theory #2: 

Weird glitch as Hearthstone transitions between Molten Giant reverse nerf and HoF announcement.

Theory #3: 

The remaining 875 dust could be:

400 x 2 = 800 for two regular Ice Block

75 dust = ?? No idea, since it doesn't correspond with my Coldlight Oracles.

Theory #4: 

???!?!?!

 

Anyone want to take a stab at it? 

TL;DR:

I received 4875 dust when I spent 7000 dust to craft goldens for HoF. I hope I am getting the rest of the dust when HoF goes live.

 

Cards I own:

Two regular Ice Block and two golden Ice Block -- both goldens crafted in preparation for HoF

Two regular Coldlight Oracle and two golden Coldlight Oracle -- I crafted one golden in preparation for HoF (already owned one golden)

Two regular Molten Giant and two golden Molten Giant -- both goldens crafted in preparation for HoF

Ok i just wasted literally all my dust to make 2x molent / 2x iceblock golden vesions

let's see if I get 1600 profit after expansion comes live, if no I'll quit HS for sure :D

win vs win situation lul

Quote from coffeefreak >>

Today when I logged into Hearthstone, (HoF not live, but Molten Giant reverse nerf is live) I received 3200 dust for two golden Molten Giants. But I also received an additional 1675 dust for a total of 4875 dust. I spent 7000 dust to craft goldens in anticipation of HoF (two golden Molten Giants, two golden Ice Block, and one golden Coldlight Oracle). 

So why the odd amount of dust?

Theory #1:

The Molten Giant reverse nerf is live today, but HoF isn't yet.  Maybe I received dust for both my two regular and two golden Molten Giants: 3200 + 1600. But that still leaves 875 dust unaccounted for.

Theory #2: 

Weird glitch as Hearthstone transitions between Molten Giant reverse nerf and HoF announcement.

Theory #3: 

The remaining 875 dust could be:

400 x 2 = 800 for two regular Ice Block

75 dust = ?? No idea, since it doesn't correspond with my Coldlight Oracles.

Theory #4: 

???!?!?!

 

Anyone want to take a stab at it? 

TL;DR:

I received 4875 dust when I spent 7000 dust to craft goldens for HoF. I hope I am getting the rest of the dust when HoF goes live.

 

Cards I own:

Two regular Ice Block and two golden Ice Block -- both goldens crafted in preparation for HoF

Two regular Coldlight Oracle and two golden Coldlight Oracle -- I crafted one golden in preparation for HoF (already owned one golden)

Two regular Molten Giant and two golden Molten Giant -- both goldens crafted in preparation for HoF

 

Fuck me, I'm glad if my replying to people's questions is genuinely helpful to them, but you do start to wonder if some people just don't know how to go to the start of the thread or something lol.

I thought it might be useful to demonstrate how and why the counter-intuitive logic regarding crafting and reimbursement actually works. Let's take a look:

Bob has 2 regular copies of ice block. He has no copies of molten giant, regular or golden. He has no copies of coldlight oracle, regular or golden. Bob doesn't care about upgrading to golden versions. Bob wants maximum dust value and wants to disenchant everything after the Hall of Fame rotation. Bob currently has 3,200 dust.

Bob knows that the rotation will only reimburse him for the total number of any card which he can put in a deck (i.e. maximum 2 for a non-legendary, maximum 1 for a legendary). Bob knows, in other words, that he won't be reimbursed for more than 2 ice blocks. Bob knows that reimbursement prioritises golden cards over non-golden, and so if he had 1 golden ice block as well as his 2 regular, one of those regular ice blocks would receive no reimbursement.

Scenario 1: Bob doesn't craft anything.

• Bob has 3,200 dust going into the HoF rotation.
• Bob gets reimbursed for the full craft value of his 2 regular ice blocks, which is (2*400) = 800 dust.
• Bob then disenchants his 2 regular ice blocks for their regular disenchant value, which is (2*100) = 200 dust.
• Bob therefore makes a total profit of (800 + 200) = 1,000 dust.
• Bob's final, net total dust after HoF rotation is (3,200 + 1,000) = 4,200 dust.

Scenario 2: Bob crafts 2 golden ice blocks to "improve his profits"

• Bob spends 3,200 dust to craft 2 golden ice blocks, and so he has 0 dust going into the HoF rotation.
• Bob gets reimbursed for the full craft value of his 2 golden ice blocks, which is (2*1,600) = 3,200 dust.
• Bob then disenchants his 2 golden and 2 regular ice blocks for their regular disenchant value. For his goldens, this is (400*2) = 800 dust. For his regulars, this is (100*2) = 200 dust. Therefore, in total, from disenchanting all his ice blocks Bob gets (800+200) = 1,000 dust.
• Bob's final, net total dust after HoF rotation is (3,200 + 1,000) = 4,200 dust.

With a cry of great anguish, Bob realises that he in fact made a total of 0 dust from crafting the golden ice blocks. Bob then feels a humble gratitude to the cosmos for the fact that his hubris went unpunished, for Bob did not actually lose any dust.

I hope that makes it clear.

Edit:

Even though the craft/dust ratios of rares are different from those of epics, the above calculations work out exactly the same for coldlight oracle. Trust me, I've done those calculations too.

Quote from Arachnidius >>

 

Quote from coffeefreak >>

Today when I logged into Hearthstone, (HoF not live, but Molten Giant reverse nerf is live) I received 3200 dust for two golden Molten Giants. But I also received an additional 1675 dust for a total of 4875 dust. I spent 7000 dust to craft goldens in anticipation of HoF (two golden Molten Giants, two golden Ice Block, and one golden Coldlight Oracle). 

So why the odd amount of dust?

Theory #1:

The Molten Giant reverse nerf is live today, but HoF isn't yet.  Maybe I received dust for both my two regular and two golden Molten Giants: 3200 + 1600. But that still leaves 875 dust unaccounted for.

Theory #2: 

Weird glitch as Hearthstone transitions between Molten Giant reverse nerf and HoF announcement.

Theory #3: 

The remaining 875 dust could be:

400 x 2 = 800 for two regular Ice Block

75 dust = ?? No idea, since it doesn't correspond with my Coldlight Oracles.

Theory #4: 

???!?!?!

 

Anyone want to take a stab at it? 

TL;DR:

I received 4875 dust when I spent 7000 dust to craft goldens for HoF. I hope I am getting the rest of the dust when HoF goes live.

 

Cards I own:

Two regular Ice Block and two golden Ice Block -- both goldens crafted in preparation for HoF

Two regular Coldlight Oracle and two golden Coldlight Oracle -- I crafted one golden in preparation for HoF (already owned one golden)

Two regular Molten Giant and two golden Molten Giant -- both goldens crafted in preparation for HoF

 

 You only get reimbursement for the max number of cards that you can put in a deck, i.e. for non-legendaries you only get reimbursed for a maximum of 2 of any card in your collection. Reimbursement will prioritise goldens over non-goldens, so if you have 2 goldens your regulars won't be reimbursed. If you already had 2 regular copies of any of the rotating cards before you crafted the goldens, then crafting the goldens was pointless. You won't receive any extra dust for having done this. Don't worry though, you won't have lost any dust. If you get reimbursed for your goldens and then disenchant everything, You will receive exactly the same amount of dust as if you had only been reimbursed for your 2 regular copies and then disenchanted those.

Now as to you getting any dust back today at all, that's very weird. I have got nothing back so far and I had always thought it was obvious that we'd only get any reimbursement after the HoF rotation, i.e. tomorrow. Sounds very irregular. I'll log in and check again myself now.

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Quote from coffeefreak >>

Today when I logged into Hearthstone, (HoF not live, but Molten Giant reverse nerf is live) I received 3200 dust for two golden Molten Giants. But I also received an additional 1675 dust for a total of 4875 dust. I spent 7000 dust to craft goldens in anticipation of HoF (two golden Molten Giants, two golden Ice Block, and one golden Coldlight Oracle). 

So why the odd amount of dust?

Theory #1:

The Molten Giant reverse nerf is live today, but HoF isn't yet.  Maybe I received dust for both my two regular and two golden Molten Giants: 3200 + 1600. But that still leaves 875 dust unaccounted for.

Theory #2: 

Weird glitch as Hearthstone transitions between Molten Giant reverse nerf and HoF announcement.

Theory #3: 

The remaining 875 dust could be:

400 x 2 = 800 for two regular Ice Block

75 dust = ?? No idea, since it doesn't correspond with my Coldlight Oracles.

Theory #4: 

???!?!?!

 

Anyone want to take a stab at it? 

TL;DR:

I received 4875 dust when I spent 7000 dust to craft goldens for HoF. I hope I am getting the rest of the dust when HoF goes live.

 

Cards I own:

Two regular Ice Block and two golden Ice Block -- both goldens crafted in preparation for HoF

Two regular Coldlight Oracle and two golden Coldlight Oracle -- I crafted one golden in preparation for HoF (already owned one golden)

Two regular Molten Giant and two golden Molten Giant -- both goldens crafted in preparation for HoF

 

 Theory 5:

You were drunk last night and disenchanted few cards and forgot about that.

But seriously, you are the only one who got dust, so it's probably has nothing to do with HOF dust.

Quote from Arachnidius >>

Fuck me, I'm glad if my replying to people's questions is genuinely helpful to them, but you do start to wonder if some people just don't know how to go to the start of the thread or something lol.

I thought it might be useful to demonstrate how and why the counter-intuitive logic regarding crafting and reimbursement actually works. Let's take a look:

---

Bob has 2 regular copies of ice block. He has no copies of molten giant, regular or golden. He has no copies of coldlight oracle, regular or golden. Bob doesn't care about upgrading to golden versions. Bob wants maximum dust value and wants to disenchant everything after the Hall of Fame rotation. Bob currently has 3,200 dust.

Bob knows that the rotation will only reimburse him for the total number of any card which he can put in a deck (i.e. maximum 2 for a non-legendary, maximum 1 for a legendary). Bob knows, in other words, that he won't be reimbursed for more than 2 ice blocks. Bob knows that reimbursement prioritises golden cards over non-golden, and so if he had 1 golden ice block as well as his 2 regular, one of those regular ice blocks would receive no reimbursement.

 

Scenario 1: Bob doesn't craft anything.

• Bob has 3,200 dust going into the HoF rotation.
• Bob gets reimbursed for the full craft value of his 2 regular ice blocks, which is (2*400) = 800 dust.
• Bob then disenchants his 2 regular ice blocks for their regular disenchant value, which is (2*100) = 200 dust.
• Bob therefore makes a total profit of (800 + 200) = 1,000 dust.
• Bob's final, net total dust after HoF rotation is (3,200 + 1,000) = 4,200 dust.

 

Scenario 2: Bob crafts 2 golden ice blocks to "improve his profits"

• Bob spends 3,200 dust to craft 2 golden ice blocks, and so he has 0 dust going into the HoF rotation.
• Bob gets reimbursed for the full craft value of his 2 golden ice blocks, which is (2*1,600) = 3,200 dust.
• Bob then disenchants his 2 golden and 2 regular ice blocks for their regular disenchant value. For his goldens, this is (400*2) = 800 dust. For his regulars, this is (100*2) = 200 dust. Therefore, in total, from disenchanting all his ice blocks Bob gets (800+200) = 1,000 dust.
• Bob's final, net total dust after HoF rotation is (3,200 + 1,000) = 4,200 dust.

With a cry of great anguish, Bob realises that he in fact made a total of 0 dust from crafting the golden ice blocks. Bob then feels a humble gratitude to the cosmos for the fact that his hubris went unpunished, for Bob did not actually lose any dust.

---

I hope that makes it clear.

Edit:

Even though the craft/dust ratios of rares are different from those of epics, the above calculations work out exactly the same for coldlight oracle. Trust me, I've done those calculations too.

@reverse nerf:

unleash the hounds got changed in both directions and several times. But back then you didn't get dust anyway, I think.

Does this still work? 

I miss 1 molten giant 

And I have 1 x normal Ice Block and 1 x Golden Verison

What should I craft? :(

I'm short on dust to take advantage of this.

I guess the dust refund happens IMMEDIATELY after The Witchwood is released, right? So I won't be able to use the dust I get from the prepurchased packs to craft the HoF cards and get the refund, right?

Quote from LegacymtgsalvationUser41018 >>

I'm short on dust to take advantage of this.

I guess the dust refund happens IMMEDIATELY after The Witchwood is released, right? So I won't be able to use the dust I get from the prepurchased packs to craft the HoF cards and get the refund, right?

 

Quote from Insanius >>

Does this still work? 

I miss 1 molten giant 

And I have 1 x normal Ice Block and 1 x Golden Verison

What should I craft? :(

Quote from iDarken2012 >>

 

Quote from Insanius >>

Does this still work? 

I miss 1 molten giant 

And I have 1 x normal Ice Block and 1 x Golden Verison

What should I craft? :(

 

 You should craft the cards you're missing, in this case, you should craft a Golden or Regular Molten Giant, to maximize your profit, craft a golden one and disenchant after the rotation. 

Quote from coffeefreak >>

 

 1. Yes, I understand how the dust is supposed to work; and i double-checked it prior to crafting.  Last year I got golden lovelies for basically 0 dust and expected to do the same this year.

2. ..."crafting the goldens was pointless" -- except I wanted goldens, so it wasn't pointless for *me*.   :-)  As you pointed out, "Don't worry though, you won't have lost any dust." Although I lost dust today -- so I am hoping it will right itself when the expansion goes live. 

3. "Now as to you getting any dust back today at all, that's very weird. I have got nothing back so far and I had always thought it was obvious that we'd only get any reimbursement after the HoF rotation, i.e. tomorrow. Sounds very irregular. "

I agree. My theory is it has something to do with Molten Giant reverse nerf went into effect today, whereas HoF doesn't go into effect until the expansion is live.

i crafted 2 golden molten giant today, will i get the full amount plus profit from hall of fame? just wondering, because i saw people saying that they received dust from molten giant, is this true? if so, how does it makes sense since molten giant is going to wild only tomorrow?

Quote from InfiniteSadness >>

Ok i just wasted literally all my dust to make 2x molent / 2x iceblock golden vesions

let's see if I get 1600 profit after expansion comes live, if no I'll quit HS for sure :D

win vs win situation lul

I'm sure this has been asked. If I have 2 regular Ice blocks and make 2 golden ice blocks. will I get the dust for the 2 golden ice blocks or the 2 regular ones? 

 Edit: Note1: Max dust rewarded is 1 copy per legendary, 2 copies for other rarities. Dust is granted just for your golden copies, not your regular, if you happen to own both regular and golden copies. See bottom of post for a visual overview of dust returns.

I knew I should've paid more attention in English class. Sorry folks!

Quote from Sky_Blazer >>

I'm sure this has been asked. If I have 2 regular Ice blocks and make 2 golden ice blocks. will I get the dust for the 2 golden ice blocks or the 2 regular ones? 

 Edit: Note1: Max dust rewarded is 1 copy per legendary, 2 copies for other rarities. Dust is granted just for your golden copies, not your regular, if you happen to own both regular and golden copies. See bottom of post for a visual overview of dust returns.

I knew I should've paid more attention in English class. Sorry folks!

 

HeyGuys!

I crafted the golden moltens when it was nerfded for the first time, and I forgot to disenchant them. That means I lucked some extra dust now? :D

Thanks for the answers, have a nice day!