Beneath the Grounds is back! This minion doesn't suffer too much to have this effect, this feels pretty solid actually.
Edit: Whoa, it's in your own deck. That's a bit sad. Still strong in tempo I think.
Why is it sad? If it works like the other ambushes it doesn't interrupt your draw at all. If it does interrupt draw then it is sad :(
It will most definitely interrupt your draw. Otherwise, the value would be way too high.
In a world where chillwind yeti is not even considered, the value of this card would not be too high if the spiders drew you a card
This card is tricky to evaluate, but what I will say is that shuffling them into your deck is objectively better than shuffling them into your opponents deck to compare this card to Beneath The Grounds because you have more control over how many cards you draw. This is also a way better deal since you are getting an objectively better effect for one more mana and a 4/4 right away.
So while we don't know if this is playable what we do know is that it is way better than Beneath The Grounds(discounting the fact that it stops raza and kazakus and is no longer in standard) in terms of value and tempo.
To really know if this is good you just have analyze how good getting a second 4/4 from this is and which turn after playing this card the spider will appear on average
You made an insane miracle in turn 6 or 7, you have Auctioneer, x3 spider, x2 giants.
Opponent play one single card all them comes back to the deck and you have awful draws with vanilla 4/4 for 4 manas.
Will be a lot better if the cards shuffles in opponent deck and shut down Highlander Priest.
A card is not useless just because it's not a counter to one specific archetype damn. Yes Psychic Scream is a card, yes there are 8 other classes in Hearthstone...
Remember when shaman have so good cards and the others classes can't compete and the meta was midrange shaman vs midrange shaman? I have all reasons to believe the same will happen unless release something can counter priests decks, we don't see nothing like that so far.
There is no "8 other classes in Hearthstone" when one is busted, completely broken and OP, and any card bad vs the class dominant will be bad, don't matter if is good vs everything else.
After rotation or nerfs in priest cards I agree, this card is awesome and the spell is cast for free with works wonderful with combo cards like Vile or Cleef.
Does gadgetzan trigger with Ambush! from Beneath the Grounds?
EDIT: Nothing about that on the gamepedia page for Beneath the Grounds, although it does say that Chromaggus does not create a copy summon an extra Nerubian.
This card is awesome! Good stats for the cost and it allows you to get a free 4/4 at any particular moment in the game. Alongside all of Rogue's other draw mechanics, this can get you a ton of value going throughout the game, and 2 of them in a deck only makes it better. This thing will definitely see play, even if Rogue doesn't end up becoming top tier or anything.
Strong card 4/4 for 4 with battlecry to potentially get 3 more 4/4s if not more with bounces. Obviously a great arena card. Assuming Spider Ambush would work with Grand Archivist...
Seems insane to me. 4 mana 4/4 is good enough it won't lose you the game when you play it, and rogue has insane card draw already with auctioneer. One of the best cards of the set so far.
Auto-activator for combo, double draw for auctioner... Paying attention that rogue doesn't have strong 4 mana plays this card will fit so much rogue decks.
And for the tempo rogue it is always a challenge and goal to have good pre-play for scalebane and bonemare, this card is exactly what tempo rogue needs for control matchups. Looks like rogue with this and gorgonzola will be the king of tempo decks. And he really has a chance to compete with razakus on same power level.
Does gadgetzan trigger with Ambush! from Beneath the Grounds?
EDIT: Nothing about that on the gamepedia page for Beneath the Grounds, although it does say that Chromaggus does not create a copy summon an extra Nerubian.
I would assume this card would draw with gadgetzan. Beneath the Grounds doesn't trigger spell effects, but that says "Draw a card" rather than "cast this". Because Blizzard specifically wrote "cast this" it certainly looks like it was made to trigger comboes, Gadgetzan etc. Also it has a mana cost of 4, and the only way I could imagine that matters is through Medivh or Summoning Stone, which implies that the spell is cast and triggers on cast effects.
You made an insane miracle in turn 6 or 7, you have Auctioneer, x3 spider, x2 giants.
Opponent play one single card all them comes back to the deck and you have awful draws with vanilla 4/4 for 4 manas.
Will be a lot better if the cards shuffles in opponent deck and shut down Highlander Priest.
when drawn its cast for free and you draw another card meaning it doesn't really matter which deck it's in. plus your comment doesn't make much sense.
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So when you draw one of the other spiders, you auto-cast it, right? That is, you get the 4/4 spider on the ground, and draw a card, but you lose 4 mana. So the downside if you lose control over what you do that turn, because if you wanted to do something else you may not have enough mana left to continue.
no its cast for free when drawn but costs 4 if played from hand (thoughtsteal etc)
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Auto-activator for combo, double draw for auctioner... Paying attention that rogue doesn't have strong 4 mana plays this card will fit so much rogue decks.
And for the tempo rogue it is always a challenge and goal to have good pre-play for scalebane and bonemare, this card is exactly what tempo rogue needs for control matchups. Looks like rogue with this and gorgonzola will be the king of tempo decks. And he really has a chance to compete with razakus on same power level.
it doesn't activate combos or auctioneer Mike Donais confirmed
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You mean to stop Razakus? Yeah it would be awesome but still for miracle it's amazing. Do much value
How would it stop Razakus? It cycles when drawn, so you'd rather have it in your deck since you can control your own draw better.
You play this in turn 4, if the cards was in opponent deck he can't play Kazakus or Raza before draw 2 of 3 of them, this will slow down the combo.
Again, the card itself is much better because you can control your draws and not the opponent draws, in a normal meta this way is a lot better but in a meta where priest decks are Tier 0 the history change.
Maybe I wrong and priest don't become so powerful and if will be this case then this card is 10/10.
Would you draw a extra card when drawing one of the ambushes while Gadgetzan is on the field?
Does gadgetzan trigger with Ambush! from Beneath the Grounds?
EDIT: Nothing about that on the gamepedia page for Beneath the Grounds, although it does say that Chromaggus does not
create a copysummon an extra Nerubian.This card is awesome! Good stats for the cost and it allows you to get a free 4/4 at any particular moment in the game. Alongside all of Rogue's other draw mechanics, this can get you a ton of value going throughout the game, and 2 of them in a deck only makes it better. This thing will definitely see play, even if Rogue doesn't end up becoming top tier or anything.
It costs 4 mana, and you have no control over when you draw/cast it.
This looks insane
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Strong card 4/4 for 4 with battlecry to potentially get 3 more 4/4s if not more with bounces. Obviously a great arena card. Assuming Spider Ambush would work with Grand Archivist...
Seems insane to me. 4 mana 4/4 is good enough it won't lose you the game when you play it, and rogue has insane card draw already with auctioneer. One of the best cards of the set so far.
Auto-activator for combo, double draw for auctioner... Paying attention that rogue doesn't have strong 4 mana plays this card will fit so much rogue decks.And for the tempo rogue it is always a challenge and goal to have good pre-play for scalebane and bonemare, this card is exactly what tempo rogue needs for control matchups. Looks like rogue with this and gorgonzola will be the king of tempo decks. And he really has a chance to compete with razakus on same power level.
Oh? Didn't you know? Yogg-Saron, Hope's End never dies, not even when he's moved to wild due to his new cult member and my newest favorite card Toki, Time Tinker!
So when you draw one of the other spiders, you auto-cast it, right? That is, you get the 4/4 spider on the ground, and draw a card, but you lose 4 mana. So the downside if you lose control over what you do that turn, because if you wanted to do something else you may not have enough mana left to continue.
no its cast for free when drawn but costs 4 if played from hand (thoughtsteal etc)
Oh? Didn't you know? Yogg-Saron, Hope's End never dies, not even when he's moved to wild due to his new cult member and my newest favorite card Toki, Time Tinker!
Oh? Didn't you know? Yogg-Saron, Hope's End never dies, not even when he's moved to wild due to his new cult member and my newest favorite card Toki, Time Tinker!