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There is a list with doomguard senanigans that skull is very important.(more expensive list with many epics)

on the other hand there is a more controlish approach that runs Rin for an alternative win condition.. 

You should wait to see what will prevail or just go for either one of the lists

I want to buy the LoE expansion, but I already have Brann (crafted him because didn't know you could get him buying the exp) and I don't know if DE him and then buy it, or will I get a duplicate Brann? Don't really want to throw those 400 dust away

So, I'm sitting at just short of 13,200 dust, and want to craft Rin. Is it worth crafting her in golden, or is it safer to craft a regular version of her?

Edit: For reference, I already have every listed Staple Tier legendary with the exception of Prince Keleseth.

Hey guys, F2P player here, wondering if I should craft a Prince Keleseth for my rogue and warlock decks or a Rin, the First Disciple for my warlock deck as she is getting more and more popular, im also considering Master Oakheart, any advice?

- as for Rin and Oakheart, believe me, they aren't really necessary. I'm a warlock main, I don't have the popular K&C legendaries used in the current control warlock decks (only the Skull of the Man'ari, which I'm not using anyway), but for me they are 1) slow, 2) clumsy and 3) a really, really greedy inclusion. If you have the needed tools, you can do an excellent job without them too and secondly - including all those expensive cards, what if you draw them at the bad moment? Imagine you are desperately searching for heal or for AoEs (why not cheaper taunts while you are at it), but you are stuck with those dead draws instead. Then you are just dead.

I put them in tier 2 for now, but do you think they belong in tier 3, as they are carried by a strong deck?

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Hey guys, F2P player here, wondering if I should craft a Prince Keleseth for my rogue and warlock decks or a Rin, the First Disciple for my warlock deck as she is getting more and more popular, im also considering Master Oakheart, any advice?

In the new KAC meta,

The following cards are my recommendations for priority crafting:

1. Aluneth: An essential card for secret mage deck.

From HSReplay statistics, in the past 7 days, across Rank 5 to Legend, this card has an overall 51.3% deck winrate and 55.5% played winrate.

2. Skull of the Man'ari: A very good card to pull out large demon minions from your hand, such as Doomguard and Voidlord.

From HSReplay statistics, in the past 7 days, across Rank 5 to Legend, this card has an overall 53.2% deck winrate and 60.1% played winrate.

3. Rin, the First Disciple: A good card especially great against control deck to burn your opponent's whole deck.

From HSReplay statistics, in the past 7 days, across Rank 5 to Legend, this card has an overall 51.5% deck winrate and 52.1% played winrate.

The following cards are nice cards to craft in case you really like them.

Honorable mention:

1. Rhok'delar: this card has an overall 51% deck winrate and 47% played winrate.

2. Kathrena Winterwisp: this card has an overall 49.1% deck winrate and 52.2% played winrate.

3. Val'anyr: this card has an overall 54.3% deck winrate and 46.4% played winrate.

4. Zola the Gorgon: In Priest deck, this card has an overall 50.1% deck winrate and 56% played winrate.

5. Sonya Shadowdancer: this card has an overall 49.9% deck winrate and 47.1% played winrate.

6. Master Oakheart: In Warlock deck, this card has an overall 49.4% deck winrate and 55.9% played winrate.

Notes:

Deck winrate: average winrate of decks that include that card

Played winrate: average winrate of games where the card was played at any point

in all honesty, I tend to enjoy playing control decks, and I'd like to mention that I have almost all the top tier legendaries on this list, (i have been playing since WotOG) but I sometimes play aggro/midrange decks just to improve my win rate, I am aware they are different cards for different decks, that's why I'm asking which to craft, just to know which one is gonna give me the most juice in the long run.

Thank you for writing that, I appreciate your help and advice. :)

I got 3 classes left to reach 500 wins with atm and the classes are Mage/Priest/Pally.

I had these decks in mind since these decks are over 50% winrate in general I think and those are the decks I can create by crafting only few cards.

When i look on this page it seems like I should craft mage weapon, but I am not sure seeing I can also craft priest DK which is used also in a lot decks. And the pally seems the cheapest but am not sure if it is worth crafting these cards.

Which deck should be the most succesfull or best bet to go for, want to reach rank 5 with the deck for the next few months till i get 500 wins with it again so! (Tempo rogue did the job and only crafted Lich king for it) :)

I think Pally or Mage will do the job the best since these are tempo/fast decks and for Priest i am missing some tech legends like Lyra or the new epic Kobold which swaps attack with another card. 

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Look, man, I really appreciate how you ask for my opinion. I just want to say - I don't work with statistics atm - 1) my computer is too buggy to run any sort of a deck tracker, 2) I don't really trust the early data reports, as they reflect the experimental stage (regarding control warlock). My opinion comes from the experience I get from my games. That's why just remember my post, don't make a change to your list, as I can't really defend my words.

My opinion is the following one - I think that NEITHER of those cards (including the skull) are strong or impactful enough to be part of a tier 2 ranking list, I want to add - even tier 3. For me they are more than unnecessary inclusions; the main task of control warlock is to survive, until he stabilizes (very often including finding the DK). If you put one of those legendaries, then you must also include other expensive or clunky cards, in order for those legendaries to be worth. And thus filling your deck with even more clumsy cards feels really stupid to me. While the outcome maybe impressive, there should be more reliable and safe ways to gain value of.

-  Oakheart - like I said in the previous post, I like him and his potential. Pulling out cards from your deck, this tempo part is really powerful. And yes, if you manage to survive until turn 9, then playing him and pulling out 3 taunts is like sealing the game. Great, but finding that single card, somehow surviving until that turn and not drawing your other expensive (dead) cards instead is what I feel should be reconsidered. This doesn't look like a solid strategy to me. I'm literally better off playing smaller taunts, which I can immediately use when I draw to stall the game, until I can play my DK. No need to out-value your opponent, as the DK does the same job in almost every single way. 

- Not to mention the  Skull of the Man'ari and the questionable Carnivorous Cube combo. I can't understand how it's worth including Dark Pact and Possessed Lackey in there too just for a burst combo, which is not even an OTK. Because the skull pulls out a random minion, you have to include only Doomguards and Voidlords to make those worth, then to play the skull, not to develop anything in the mean time, to wait a turn to summon that demon for free and then additionally to have those 2 cards to make the combo... Against a slow deck this can work, but against everything else??? Against fast decks you don't need any of this. I can't understand why are those considered being "strong decks", when almost 1/3 of your deck consists of making this combo.

Sorry for this emotional post, but tbh I'm yet to lose against them. I did, only once, but in all of the other cases I just held onto my Twisting Nether, my single-target removals, I didn't overcommit and very often, because they played a lot of Voidlords in a single match, 2 or 3 times my opponents only got 1/3s. And my deck is a control, almost with no cards providing value. Theoretically I should have lost all of those games. Like I said, I can't defend my words, but those decks surprise me being called strong and high-tier ones.

Once again - Rin for me is more of a tech card. I believe she will be more popular next expansion (post rotation), because if somehow slow and attrition decks become popular, only then will she become a reasonable inclusion. Her taunt ability is not bad, she's not a good defensive minion, but she is really good at being a better tech card than the other situational ones, e.g. Eater of Secrets. But the combo decks (Raza, Quest mage) cycle faster than her ability to summon Azari; you don't have time to play the seals against aggro and mid-range decks. So what's left? Countering other warlock decks? I just think, there are far better techs in this meta than her. That's why I wouldn't put her so high in the tier list.

Inb4 I've seen people also running Shadowflame just to kill their Rin. Yup, that's a very good combo, even stronger than the PO + something cheap combo...

Once again - thanks for reading my essays. I can't prove my words, wait for the accurate statistics. If they prove me wrong, then keep your list as it is atm.

Aluneth seems like a very important card for mage, and is pretty much the only legendary you need for that class right now. If you have the rest of the deck, the easiest way to get to 500 is to spread some runebombs! The weapon is not really needed for aggro paladin, but Sunkeeper Tarim is, and does a very job in other paladin decks as well.

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in all honesty, I tend to enjoy playing control decks, and I'd like to mention that I have almost all the top tier legendaries on this list, (i have been playing since WotOG) but I sometimes play aggro/midrange decks just to improve my win rate, I am aware they are different cards for different decks, that's why I'm asking which to craft, just to know which one is gonna give me the most juice in the long run.

Yogg Saron and Justicar Trueheart are Tier 3?  The Darkness, Valeera the Hollow, Putridice and C'thun are Tier 4?  The Marsh Queen is Tier 5?

This "guide" is officially Tier 6.

First off I want to say thank you for this. It's a great list and I've been watching it since the expansion drop as I gather my dust up.

I don't have a lot of feedback right now but I do have to ask about Ysera's placement vs the Lich King. In KFT, they played a similar role in things but already in KAC we see Ysera fitting in more decks than the Lich King and her survivability is better overall. Ysera fits into big priest, big druid, big/recruit/dead man's hand dragon warrior (too many variants but most are running Ysera and probably still will when they settle on what they're doing), dragon priest, etc. Ysera survives dragonfire potion and a lot of removal the Lich King easily dies to (excluding hard removal with no conditions like polymorph, hex, etc). Should Ysera be moved up to T1 with the Lich King or even their placement swapped?

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First off I want to say thank you for this. It's a great list and I've been watching it since the expansion drop as I gather my dust up.

I don't have a lot of feedback right now but I do have to ask about Ysera's placement vs the Lich King. In KFT, they played a similar role in things but already in KAC we see Ysera fitting in more decks than the Lich King and her survivability is better overall. Ysera fits into big priest, big druid, big/recruit/dead man's hand dragon warrior (too many variants but most are running Ysera and probably still will when they settle on what they're doing), dragon priest, etc. Ysera survives dragonfire potion and a lot of removal the Lich King easily dies to (excluding hard removal with no conditions like polymorph, hex, etc). Should Ysera be moved up to T1 with the Lich King or even their placement swapped?

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First off I want to say thank you for this. It's a great list and I've been watching it since the expansion drop as I gather my dust up.

I don't have a lot of feedback right now but I do have to ask about Ysera's placement vs the Lich King. In KFT, they played a similar role in things but already in KAC we see Ysera fitting in more decks than the Lich King and her survivability is better overall. Ysera fits into big priest, big druid, big/recruit/dead man's hand dragon warrior (too many variants but most are running Ysera and probably still will when they settle on what they're doing), dragon priest, etc. Ysera survives dragonfire potion and a lot of removal the Lich King easily dies to (excluding hard removal with no conditions like polymorph, hex, etc). Should Ysera be moved up to T1 with the Lich King or even their placement swapped?

 Thanks! I have noticed The Lich King dropping off now, after hitting a peak right before K&C, he will be moved down soon if the trend continues. Good point about Ysera, but moving her is dangerous, as she is weak in the faster metagames which tend to form a while after an expansion hits.

So other considerations, which will hopefully become clear soon:

Are the jade druid legendaries really tier 1? They could all be bumped down to tier 2 or lower if the trend continues.

How good and necessary is Rin, the First Disciple?

How good are the big beast and Katerina?

How good is cubelock, including Spiritsinger Umbra?

To finally place hunter DK firmly in tier 2 or 3.