Imo Cairne Bloodhoof is not a staple in any strong decks. I haven't seen it on ranked since release of the Barrens. I think T2 would be better if it's playable in strong decks but there are much more universal cards.
Imo Cairne Bloodhoof is not a staple in any strong decks. I haven't seen it on ranked since release of the Barrens. I think T2 would be better if it's playable in strong decks but there are much more universal cards.
He has seen a big boost in both play- and winrates very recently, especially at higher levels. He is included in strong paladin and warrior decks. Those extra stats do make a difference, and I believe the meta is getting more favourable for him.
Give it a week or two. Despite the risk of neutral classic bias, tier 1 might be justified!
I haven't seen a single Cannonmaster Smythe played the whole month. He was the first card I cut from my early Secret Paladin builds as the card felt quite weak. You do drop some stats, but (a) no rush/taunt and (b) all the secrets you may have had up there that could protect you from a board clear are now gone. Opponent can trade minions, cast removal spells, play 3+ cards in a row and anyway do what he has to do to clear your board and you only get the secrets back once your board is gone, feels kind of meh
I haven't seen a single Cannonmaster Smythe played the whole month. He was the first card I cut from my early Secret Paladin builds as the card felt quite weak. You do drop some stats, but (a) no rush/taunt and (b) all the secrets you may have had up there that could protect you from a board clear are now gone. Opponent can trade minions, cast removal spells, play 3+ cards in a row and anyway do what he has to do to clear your board and you only get the secrets back once your board is gone, feels kind of meh
Yes, the card might belong in tier 3, but the typical tier 2 winrates are still there. Borderline case, I'll look into it closely!
Feedback appreciated as always, I had doubts about Kurtrus Ashfallen and Overlord Saurfang especially, as they currently don't see too much play, but have effects I am sure some players find very useful.
Hello! Some cards lost their archetypes after rotation and could use some updates ^_^. These are the cards (in standard):
Sphere of Sapience* - Playable in many archeypes, notably Ramp paladin. -> Demote to Niche, now that there's no HL decks it is most used in OTK/combos experimentation.
Kanrethad Ebonlocke - Staple in zoolock. -> Zoolock vanished after the release of FitB, but it's a playable card in some Control Warlock with different builds.
Kargath Bladefist - Playabe in Enrage and Bomb warrior. -> Playable in Rush and Control Warrior.
Doctor Krastinov* - Staple in bomb warrior and weapon and stealth rogue. -> Playable in Poison and Stealth Rogue.
Sayge, Seer of Darkmoon - Staple in Secret mage. -> Now is Trash without a solid secret package. Maybe Niche in experimentations.
Tenwu of the Red Smoke* - Playable in most Rogue decks. -> It has become staple in Miracle and Secret Rogue.
Forest Warden Omu - Staple in Malygos Druid, playable in Dragon druid. -> In experimentation in Survial/Guardian Druid. Low winrate. (Playable?)
Ace Hunter Kreen - Playable in most hunter and demonhunter decks, notably highlander hunter. -> Playable in Face Hunter, OTK Hunter and Deathrattle DH.
Ringmaster Whatley* - Sees play in various warrior decks, notably menagerie versions. > Staple in Rush Warrior.
Disciplinarian Gandling - Playable in Zoolock and Galakrond priest. > Trash now that Zoo is no longer a thing.
Vectus* - Playable in Quest hunter, sees play experimental play in several classes. > Sees play in Control Warlock along Rustwix. (Playable?)
GAW - Galakrond's Awakening: Need to cut this section in 'Niche'.
The Fist of Ra-den - Niche tech for Highlander and Galakrond Shaman. > Currently not found in any Shaman deck. Trash?
Nozdormu the Eternal* - Weak meme card, even with better stats for cost. > It's staple... in Nozdormu modes! LOL
Hello! Some cards lost their archetypes after rotation and could use some updates ^_^. These are the cards (in standard):
Sphere of Sapience* - Playable in many archeypes, notably Ramp paladin. -> Demote to Niche, now that there's no HL decks it is most used in OTK/combos experimentation.
Kanrethad Ebonlocke - Staple in zoolock. -> Zoolock vanished after the release of FitB, but it's a playable card in some Control Warlock with different builds.
Kargath Bladefist - Playabe in Enrage and Bomb warrior. -> Playable in Rush and Control Warrior.
Doctor Krastinov* - Staple in bomb warrior and weapon and stealth rogue. -> Playable in Poison and Stealth Rogue.
Sayge, Seer of Darkmoon - Staple in Secret mage. -> Now is Trash without a solid secret package. Maybe Niche in experimentations.
Tenwu of the Red Smoke* - Playable in most Rogue decks. -> It has become staple in Miracle and Secret Rogue.
Forest Warden Omu - Staple in Malygos Druid, playable in Dragon druid. -> In experimentation in Survial/Guardian Druid. Low winrate. (Playable?)
Ace Hunter Kreen - Playable in most hunter and demonhunter decks, notably highlander hunter. -> Playable in Face Hunter, OTK Hunter and Deathrattle DH.
Ringmaster Whatley* - Sees play in various warrior decks, notably menagerie versions. > Staple in Rush Warrior.
Disciplinarian Gandling - Playable in Zoolock and Galakrond priest. > Trash now that Zoo is no longer a thing.
Vectus* - Playable in Quest hunter, sees play experimental play in several classes. > Sees play in Control Warlock along Rustwix. (Playable?)
GAW - Galakrond's Awakening: Need to cut this section in 'Niche'.
The Fist of Ra-den - Niche tech for Highlander and Galakrond Shaman. > Currently not found in any Shaman deck. Trash?
Nozdormu the Eternal* - Weak meme card, even with better stats for cost. > It's staple... in Nozdormu modes! LOL
Hope you find my contribution valuable :)
Thanks a lot! There are even more of these, unfortnately... There are good reasons to just rewrite the whole list for Standard every rotation, and even obvious updates might be hard to see for me, being "blind" looking at the list. To start with: Sayge, Seer of Darkmoon Tier 1 to 4 Doctor Krastinov Tier 1 to 3 Kanrethad Ebonlocke Tier 1 to 4 Sphere of Sapience Tier 1 to 4
I've been playing some Control Priest lately and I have to say that
a) Xyrella is insane, for me she is tier 1 all the way. Every Priest deck runs her (also the miracle ones with Sethekk and Nazmani), because she is just too good and she has some of the highest Drawn and Played WR in all priest decks
b) I also run the new Ysera (and I've seen in in some slow Shaman decks too) and it's a really solid dragon, a big value bomb, possibly worthy of tier 2 status
Now off to cleaning up the Standard section even more and getting those newly rotated cards in Wild placed. Maybe the list will look good when the next round of nerfs change up everything again?
So Kalecgos is T3, not Khadgar? And what about Stallardis? T5 or T4?
Yes, Khadgar should be 4, as well as Keeper Stalladris. Both are performing pretty badly and see almost no play, but they were placed in 4 in case some strong new synergy cards are printed in the future.
Fixed, along with a bunch of other bugs.
Updates for the Wild section:
Sneed's Old Shredder Tier 3 to 4
Majordomo Executus Tier 5 to 4
Anka, the Buried To tier 4
Unseal the Vault To tier 4
Untapped Potential To tier 4
Myra's Unstable Element Tier 2 to 4
Madame Lazul To tier 3
Blastmaster Boom To tier 4
Brightwing To tier 4
Commander Rhyssa Tier 2 to 3
Supreme Archaeology Tier 3 to 4
Dragonqueen Alexstrasza Tier 3 to 1
Nethrandamus To tier 3
Altruis the Outcast To tier 3
Alexstrasza To tier 2
Val'anyr Tier 3 to 2
Rin, the First Disciple Tier 2 to 4
I am sorry I was unaware of the Anka, the Buried/Majordomo Executus/Tess Greymane infinite combo rogue, but I guess the existance of this niche deck means they will both be in tier 4.
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There is also the Anka, Myra's Unstable Element, Mecha'thun, Secret Passage combo...
Another one I have not faced yet... I have been owned twice by the thousand-armor druid, though!
Updates for the Standard section:
Blademaster Samuro To tier 1
Barak Kodobane To tier 1
Rokara To tier 1
Cairne Bloodhoof To tier 1
Overlord Runthak To tier 1
Lord Jaraxxus To tier 1
Tamsin Roame To tier 2
Cannonmaster Smythe To tier 2
Cariel Roame To tier 2
Shadow Hunter Vol'jin To tier 3
Varden Dawngrasp To tier 4
Brightwing To tier 5
Il'gynoth Tier 1 to 2
Feedback appreciated as always!
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Imo Cairne Bloodhoof is not a staple in any strong decks. I haven't seen it on ranked since release of the Barrens. I think T2 would be better if it's playable in strong decks but there are much more universal cards.
He has seen a big boost in both play- and winrates very recently, especially at higher levels. He is included in strong paladin and warrior decks. Those extra stats do make a difference, and I believe the meta is getting more favourable for him.
Give it a week or two. Despite the risk of neutral classic bias, tier 1 might be justified!
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I haven't seen a single Cannonmaster Smythe played the whole month. He was the first card I cut from my early Secret Paladin builds as the card felt quite weak. You do drop some stats, but (a) no rush/taunt and (b) all the secrets you may have had up there that could protect you from a board clear are now gone. Opponent can trade minions, cast removal spells, play 3+ cards in a row and anyway do what he has to do to clear your board and you only get the secrets back once your board is gone, feels kind of meh
Yes, the card might belong in tier 3, but the typical tier 2 winrates are still there. Borderline case, I'll look into it closely!
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More updates for the Standard section. Slowly but surely, all the new cards are finding a home in the guide!
Bloodmage Thalnos To tier 2
Death Speaker Blackthorn To tier 2
Overlord Saurfang To tier 3
Ysera the Dreamer To tier 3
Kurtrus Ashfallen To tier 3
King Krush To tier 3
Xyrella To tier 3
Guff Runetotem To tier 4
Mordresh Fire Eye To tier 4
King Mukla To tier 5
Cannonmaster Smythe Tier 2 to 3
Feedback appreciated as always, I had doubts about Kurtrus Ashfallen and Overlord Saurfang especially, as they currently don't see too much play, but have effects I am sure some players find very useful.
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Hello! Some cards lost their archetypes after rotation and could use some updates ^_^. These are the cards (in standard):
Sphere of Sapience* -
Playable in many archeypes, notably Ramp paladin.-> Demote to Niche, now that there's no HL decks it is most used in OTK/combos experimentation.Kanrethad Ebonlocke -
Staple in zoolock.-> Zoolock vanished after the release of FitB, but it's a playable card in some Control Warlock with different builds.Kargath Bladefist -
Playabe in Enrage and Bomb warrior.-> Playable in Rush and Control Warrior.Doctor Krastinov* -
Staple in bomb warrior and weapon and stealth rogue.-> Playable in Poison and Stealth Rogue.Sayge, Seer of Darkmoon -
Staple in Secret mage.-> Now is Trash without a solid secret package. Maybe Niche in experimentations.Tenwu of the Red Smoke* -
Playable in most Rogue decks.-> It has become staple in Miracle and Secret Rogue.Forest Warden Omu -
Staple in Malygos Druid, playable in Dragon druid.-> In experimentation in Survial/Guardian Druid. Low winrate. (Playable?)Ace Hunter Kreen -
Playable in most hunter and demonhunter decks, notably highlander hunter.-> Playable in Face Hunter, OTK Hunter and Deathrattle DH.Ringmaster Whatley* -
Sees play in various warrior decks, notably menagerie versions.> Staple in Rush Warrior.Disciplinarian Gandling -
Playable in Zoolock and Galakrond priest.> Trash now that Zoo is no longer a thing.Vectus* -
Playable in Quest hunter, sees play experimental play in several classes.> Sees play in Control Warlock along Rustwix. (Playable?)GAW - Galakrond's Awakening:Need to cut this section in 'Niche'.The Fist of Ra-den -
Niche tech for Highlander and Galakrond Shaman.> Currently not found in any Shaman deck. Trash?Nozdormu the Eternal* -
Weak meme card, even with better stats for cost.> It's staple... in Nozdormu modes! LOLHope you find my contribution valuable :)
Thanks a lot! There are even more of these, unfortnately... There are good reasons to just rewrite the whole list for Standard every rotation, and even obvious updates might be hard to see for me, being "blind" looking at the list. To start with:
Sayge, Seer of Darkmoon Tier 1 to 4
Doctor Krastinov Tier 1 to 3
Kanrethad Ebonlocke Tier 1 to 4
Sphere of Sapience Tier 1 to 4
as well as some card-text updates.
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I've been playing some Control Priest lately and I have to say that
a) Xyrella is insane, for me she is tier 1 all the way. Every Priest deck runs her (also the miracle ones with Sethekk and Nazmani), because she is just too good and she has some of the highest Drawn and Played WR in all priest decks
b) I also run the new Ysera (and I've seen in in some slow Shaman decks too) and it's a really solid dragon, a big value bomb, possibly worthy of tier 2 status
Thanks for the feedback!
More updates for the Standard section:
High Inquisitor Whitemane To tier 4
Cenarius To tier 5
Ysera the Dreamer Tier 3 to 2
Disciplinarian Gandling Tier 3 to 4
Forest Warden Omu Tier 2 to 4
Ringmaster Whatley Tier 3 to 1
Xyrella Tier 3 to 2
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Updates for the Standard section and 1 for classic. Mostly ajusting older cards this time, with a series of demotions and text updates:
Al'Akir the Windlord To tier 3
Vanessa VanCleef To tier 3
Kor'vas Bloodthorn To tier 4
Baron Geddon To tier 4
Tenwu of the Red Smoke Tier 3 to 2
Teron Gorefiend Tier 2 to 3
Silas Darkmoon Tier 2 to 3
Envoy Rustwix Tier 2 to 3
Astromancer Solarian Tier 2 to 3
Soul Mirror Tier 2 to 3
Infiltrator Lilian Tier 2 to 4
Reliquary of Souls Tier 2 to 4
Grand Empress Shek'zara Tier 3 to 4
Cenarius (classic) tier 1 to 2
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The final new cards have been placed in the guide!
Aegwynn, the Guardian To tier 2
Apothecary Helbrim To tier 3
Malygos the Spellweaver
Grommash Hellscream To tier 3
Firemancer Flurgl To tier 3
Scabbs Cutterbutter To tier 4
Bru'kan To tier 4
Kargal Battlescar To tier 4
Onyxia the Broodmother To tier 4
Any oversights? Feedback appreciated as always.
Now off to cleaning up the Standard section even more and getting those newly rotated cards in Wild placed. Maybe the list will look good when the next round of nerfs change up everything again?
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Just placed some more cards into the Wild section, and found that a card was in fact missing in the guide!
Chef Nomi To tier 4
Keeper Stalladris To tier 4
Kalecgos To tier 4
Oblivitron To tier 4
Khadgar To tier 4
Zayle, Shadow Cloak To tier 4
Swampqueen Hagatha To tier 4
Arch-Villain Rafaam To tier 5
Tak Nozwhisker To tier 5
The Boom Reaver To tier 5
A lot of tier 4s and 5s, as the ones in 3 and up should be in already, with some exceptions.
Feedback appreciated as always.
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So Kalecgos is T3, not Khadgar? And what about Stallardis? T5 or T4?
Yes, Khadgar should be 4, as well as Keeper Stalladris. Both are performing pretty badly and see almost no play, but they were placed in 4 in case some strong new synergy cards are printed in the future.
Good spotting, I will correct it.
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More updates for the Wild section, mostly from the SoU set this time. Almost there!
Heistbaron Togwaggle To tier 3
Activate the Obelisk To tier 4
Vereesa Windrunner To tier 4
Corrupt the Waters To tier 4
Octosari To tier 4
Nozari To tier 5
Elise the Enlightened To tier 5
Raid the Sky Temple To tier 5
Dark Pharaoh Tekahn To tier 5
Hack the System To tier 5
King Phaoris Tier 3 to 4
Feedback appreciated as always.
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Some more updates for the Wild section. One card was missing in tier 3! Galakrond rush warrior seems viable.
Kronx Dragonhoof To tier 3
Nozdormu the Timeless To tier 4
Making Mummies To tier 4
High Priest Amet To tier 4
Bazaar Burglary To tier 4
Sir Finley of the Sands To tier 4
Waxadred To tier 5
Nithogg To tier 5
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Updates for the Wild section, some more Standard cards found their way into the top tiers!
Blademaster Samuro To tier 1
Alexstrasza the Life-Binder To tier 2
Val'anyr Tier 2 to 1
Deathwing, Mad Aspect To tier 4
Galakrond, the Nightmare To tier 4
Galakrond, the Unspeakable To tier 4
Mindflayer Kaahrj To tier 4
Zzeraku the Warped To tier 5
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