Some more updates. Sorry, Kingsbane fans, the has been gone from the metagame for a long time, but good synergies could come up in the future! Kalimos, Primal Lord Tier 2 to 4 Houndmaster Shaw Tier 2 to 3 Kingsbane Tier 2 to 3
As always in the Wild section, a LOT of cards are nowhere to be seen, so use of gut feeling is enevitable. Demoting cards which were placed during previous metagames is important, though.
Speaking of Wild, I've been playing some OTK paladin with Auctionmaster Beardo and I'm convinced that the deck is pretty strong. I think it would be a good idea to move it up at least a tier (although personally I would put it in Tier 2).
Speaking of Wild, I've been playing some OTK paladin with Auctionmaster Beardo and I'm convinced that the deck is pretty strong. I think it would be a good idea to move it up at least a tier (although personally I would put it in Tier 2).
Sorry for not following this up, but the deck seems to do worse at higher levels. Please keep me posted if you comfortably reach legend with OTKDK paladin, but for me, a solid tier 2 seems like a reach.
The legendaries from the latest expansion have finally been listed at the top of the OP, with "expected tiers" being the next step. The list will be updated more frequently going forward. I have been AFK for a while, and editing the list from the phone is unfortunately not an option.
So, I understand that there's an expansion right around the corner... But how do people feel about Evocation? I love playing mage, but Highlander mage doesn't really do it for me, so I'm considering going a more full spell route. I also feel like Evocation helps as an extra late game hail mary finisher (although, yes, I know it's full of rng so it's bad to really rely on as a finisher haha).
My collection otherwise is healthy haha, just wanting to hear what people think about it =P.
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Its not worth the spot in your deck, I played about 400-500 matches with HL Mage this past few months, tweaking the deck as I climbed, once I was in Diamond especially it became clear the card just wont cut it.
The meta is indeed pretty unstable at the moment, so placing the new ones firmly in the guide might have to wait a bit still. At least several waves of nerfs seem unlikely too!
Some descriptions and expected tiers are updated, and some cards which have obviously gotten a lot stronger or weaker have been moved. Xavius Tier 4 to 5 Supreme Archaeology Tier 2 to 3 Malygos Tier 1 to 2 Kael'thas Sunstrider Tier 2 to 1 Lady Liadrin Tier 2 to 1
Word of caution for people interested in High Abbess Alura. Only craft her if you intend to play Pure/Libram Paladin because Tempo Priest is absolute garbage. I crafted her with the intention of experimenting with the archetype but it simply doesn't work. The deck lacks card draw and it doesn't do a good job fighting for the board against the other Tempo/Aggro decks of the meta. Losing the board once means instant defeat as the deck lacks an effective way of refilling the hand and doesn't have a way to regain board control. The only hope of winning a game with this archetype is through a huge early game snowball against a passive opponent.
And before anyone says anything: No, Voracious Reader isn't good enough. That card only works for hyper aggressive decks with an extremely low curve. What happens very frequently when playing with this archetype is this: you draw a bunch of buff spells and your hand becomes clogged with a bunch of stuff that you have to play one by one very slowly. In this scenario, Reader becomes really awkward as you don't have a way to empty your hand effectively. By the time you manage to empty your hand enough for Reader to draw a card (and i mean ONE card), the game will be over.
Word of caution for people interested in High Abbess Alura. Only craft her if you intend to play Pure/Libram Paladin because Tempo Priest is absolute garbage. I crafted her with the intention of experimenting with the archetype but it simply doesn't work. The deck lacks card draw and it doesn't do a good job fighting for the board against the other Tempo/Aggro decks of the meta. Losing the board once means instant defeat as the deck lacks an effective way of refilling the hand and doesn't have a way to regain board control. The only hope of winning a game with this archetype is through a huge early game snowball against a passive opponent.
And before anyone says anything: No, Voracious Reader isn't good enough. That card only works for hyper aggressive decks with an extremely low curve. What happens very frequently when playing with this archetype is this: you draw a bunch of buff spells and your hand becomes clogged with a bunch of stuff that you have to play one by one very slowly. In this scenario, Reader becomes really awkward as you don't have a way to empty your hand effectively. By the time you manage to empty your hand enough for Reader to draw a card (and i mean ONE card), the game will be over.
I try to not mention archetypes which are too weak. If tempo priest is in that category, I will remove it.
Word of caution for people interested in High Abbess Alura. Only craft her if you intend to play Pure/Libram Paladin because Tempo Priest is absolute garbage. I crafted her with the intention of experimenting with the archetype but it simply doesn't work. The deck lacks card draw and it doesn't do a good job fighting for the board against the other Tempo/Aggro decks of the meta. Losing the board once means instant defeat as the deck lacks an effective way of refilling the hand and doesn't have a way to regain board control. The only hope of winning a game with this archetype is through a huge early game snowball against a passive opponent.
And before anyone says anything: No, Voracious Reader isn't good enough. That card only works for hyper aggressive decks with an extremely low curve. What happens very frequently when playing with this archetype is this: you draw a bunch of buff spells and your hand becomes clogged with a bunch of stuff that you have to play one by one very slowly. In this scenario, Reader becomes really awkward as you don't have a way to empty your hand effectively. By the time you manage to empty your hand enough for Reader to draw a card (and i mean ONE card), the game will be over.
I try to not mention archetypes which are too weak. If tempo priest is in that category, I will remove it.
What i'm saying is from my own personal experience. The stats i can see on HSReplay are from very low ranks as i don't have access to premium data. It is Tier 4 in those low ranks (Bronze through Gold). But i haven't seen anyone playing with this archetype around Diamond. I tend to just stop my climb around Diamond 5 and then i experiment with all sorts of ideas but this archetype is something they are clearly forcing. I was pessimistic about it even before the release but i decided to experiment anyway because i just like to do that. And the experience was terrible. Crushing defeat after crushing defeat (and a crushing win very rarely).
I also tried a deathrattle variant with Disciplinarian Gandling but not much changed. The boards are a little stickier but it doesn't solve the core issues of the archetype (lack of draw and no ways of regaining board control).
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Some more updates. Sorry, Kingsbane fans, the has been gone from the metagame for a long time, but good synergies could come up in the future!
Kalimos, Primal Lord Tier 2 to 4
Houndmaster Shaw Tier 2 to 3
Kingsbane Tier 2 to 3
I also checked these:
Fandral Staghelm
Subject 9
Unite the Murlocs
Have surprisingly strong winrates still. Subject 9 has found a home in Highlander hunter decks.
As always in the Wild section, a LOT of cards are nowhere to be seen, so use of gut feeling is enevitable. Demoting cards which were placed during previous metagames is important, though.
Thanks for the help!
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Speaking of Wild, I've been playing some OTK paladin with Auctionmaster Beardo and I'm convinced that the deck is pretty strong. I think it would be a good idea to move it up at least a tier (although personally I would put it in Tier 2).
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Here are my predictions in The Exhaustive Ashes of Outlands Card Preview.
Sorry for not following this up, but the deck seems to do worse at higher levels. Please keep me posted if you comfortably reach legend with OTKDK paladin, but for me, a solid tier 2 seems like a reach.
The legendaries from the latest expansion have finally been listed at the top of the OP, with "expected tiers" being the next step. The list will be updated more frequently going forward. I have been AFK for a while, and editing the list from the phone is unfortunately not an option.
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So, I understand that there's an expansion right around the corner... But how do people feel about Evocation? I love playing mage, but Highlander mage doesn't really do it for me, so I'm considering going a more full spell route. I also feel like Evocation helps as an extra late game hail mary finisher (although, yes, I know it's full of rng so it's bad to really rely on as a finisher haha).
My collection otherwise is healthy haha, just wanting to hear what people think about it =P.
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Personally, I feel like Supreme Archaeology is a little high at tier 1 but curious as to what your thoughts on this may be.
Its not worth the spot in your deck, I played about 400-500 matches with HL Mage this past few months, tweaking the deck as I climbed, once I was in Diamond especially it became clear the card just wont cut it.
The first expected tiers for the new legendaries are added!
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Wanting to say that Mindrender Illucia is not listed in Scholomance Academy legendary cards list. It is however insane currently versus Druids.
Meta still being solved, but if anyone wants an early reference, here it is. It's not mine, a friend of a guy I know screenshoted it:
The meta is indeed pretty unstable at the moment, so placing the new ones firmly in the guide might have to wait a bit still. At least several waves of nerfs seem unlikely too!
Some descriptions and expected tiers are updated, and some cards which have obviously gotten a lot stronger or weaker have been moved.
Xavius Tier 4 to 5
Supreme Archaeology Tier 2 to 3
Malygos Tier 1 to 2
Kael'thas Sunstrider Tier 2 to 1
Lady Liadrin Tier 2 to 1
Further help is appreciated!
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Can we update the link to the Epic crafting tier list to this one?
https://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/card-discussion/236946-epic-tier-list-crafting-guide
The old one has been locked for a good while
Done, thanks.
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More updates:
Untapped Potential Tier 3 to 4
Barista Lynchen Tier 3 to 4
Colossus of the Moon Tier 4 to 2
Oblivitron Tier 4 to 5
Cenarius Tier 3 to 4
Ysera Tier 2 to 3
Onyxia Tier 3 to 4
Grommash Hellscream Tier 1 to 2
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anyone know if GOLDEN Lorekeeper Polkelt makes your deck reorder and become GOLDEN after you played it?
Why would it? The effect is to re-order the cards in your deck. I don't know for sure but it wouldn't make any sense to do so.
Most new legendaries now have expected tiers and descriptions. Some cards have low playrates, though, and players are still experimenting.
Also
Chenvaala Tier 4 to 2.
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The first new legendaries have now been placed in the guide. Focusing on the higher tiers to begin with. The general power level seems very high!
Doctor Krastinov To tier 1
High Abbess Alura To tier 1
Infiltrator Lilian To tier 1
Jandice Barov To tier 1
Speaker Gidra To tier 1
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Word of caution for people interested in High Abbess Alura. Only craft her if you intend to play Pure/Libram Paladin because Tempo Priest is absolute garbage. I crafted her with the intention of experimenting with the archetype but it simply doesn't work. The deck lacks card draw and it doesn't do a good job fighting for the board against the other Tempo/Aggro decks of the meta. Losing the board once means instant defeat as the deck lacks an effective way of refilling the hand and doesn't have a way to regain board control. The only hope of winning a game with this archetype is through a huge early game snowball against a passive opponent.
And before anyone says anything: No, Voracious Reader isn't good enough. That card only works for hyper aggressive decks with an extremely low curve. What happens very frequently when playing with this archetype is this: you draw a bunch of buff spells and your hand becomes clogged with a bunch of stuff that you have to play one by one very slowly. In this scenario, Reader becomes really awkward as you don't have a way to empty your hand effectively. By the time you manage to empty your hand enough for Reader to draw a card (and i mean ONE card), the game will be over.
I try to not mention archetypes which are too weak. If tempo priest is in that category, I will remove it.
Editor of the Heartpwn Legendary Crafting Guide:
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What i'm saying is from my own personal experience. The stats i can see on HSReplay are from very low ranks as i don't have access to premium data. It is Tier 4 in those low ranks (Bronze through Gold). But i haven't seen anyone playing with this archetype around Diamond. I tend to just stop my climb around Diamond 5 and then i experiment with all sorts of ideas but this archetype is something they are clearly forcing. I was pessimistic about it even before the release but i decided to experiment anyway because i just like to do that. And the experience was terrible. Crushing defeat after crushing defeat (and a crushing win very rarely).
I also tried a deathrattle variant with Disciplinarian Gandling but not much changed. The boards are a little stickier but it doesn't solve the core issues of the archetype (lack of draw and no ways of regaining board control).