Isn't Kael'thas Sunstrider a staple in Malygos Druid which, despite not being a tier-1 or tier-2, is still a viable deck in wild (mostly because it destroys Priests...)
You are right, other legendaries for that deck are in the guide. He is back to tier 3, even though Malygos druid is very meta dependant, and is not doing too great currently.
In my opinion The Lich King is even worse than Ragnaros the Firelord. I haven't seen both of them in play for ages but they are still playable in some big decks. So for me they fit to 3rd tier.
In my opinion The Lich King is even worse than Ragnaros the Firelord. I haven't seen both of them in play for ages but they are still playable in some big decks. So for me they fit to 3rd tier.
I have certainly seen The Lich King lately, the taunt makes him a more reliable pull for "Big" decks, notably Shaman, but Warrior, Priest, Druid and Rogue are options as well. Rag, on the other hand, seems to only be played in Highlander hunter as a finisher. Both seem gone from mid-range curve decks, which makes me a bit sad.
I will keep it as it is for now, big shaman could make a comeback with the tiller combo rework.
Also Whizbang should be tier 4 or even tier 5, if you want to be F2P just craft secret mage or another cheap meta deck or play standard, Whizbang's decks are terrible and he isn't worth 1600 dust.
Just made the guide ready for the standard rotation! A lot of cards awaiting placement, and the main focus will be the new legendaries in the Barrens and Core sets.
There is a LOT to do right now...Feedback appreciated as always,
The 2 top neutrals of this expansion seem so strong and flexible they will likely be placed in the guide very soon. I have crafted them both myself already...
There were also some ajustments to the Classic guide, and it was moved to the bottom of the OP: Tirion Fordring Tier 2 to 3 (classic) Malygos Tier 3 to 4 (classic) Archmage Antonidas Tier 4 to 3 (classic)
I am considering putting the Classic part of the guide into a spoiler.
You are right, other legendaries for that deck are in the guide. He is back to tier 3, even though Malygos druid is very meta dependant, and is not doing too great currently.
More cleanups for the wild section. It is a bit sad to see how cards are demoted as new cards take their decks slots and archetypes die out, but it is the nature of the game.
Yogg-Saron, Hope's End Tier 2 to 3
Zerek's Cloning Gallery Tier 2 to 3
Ragnaros the Firelord Tier 2 to 3
Spiritsinger Umbra Tier 2 to 4
Kael'thas Sunstrider To tier 3
Lakkari Sacrifice Tier 3 to 4
Dr. Morrigan Tier 4 to 5
Princess Huhuran Tier 4 to 5
Mimiron's Head Tier 4 to 5
Varian Wrynn Tier 4 to 5
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Some updates for the Standard section as well:
Doctor Krastinov Tier 2 to 1
Rattlegore 2 to 1
Instructor Fireheart Tier 1 to 2
Bulwark of Azzinoth Tier 3 to 2
Evocation Tier 2 to 3
Nozdormu the Timeless Tier 4 to 3
Feedback appreciated as always, even obvious misplacements can be hard to spot in long lists, especially if your eyes are used to them.
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In my opinion The Lich King is even worse than Ragnaros the Firelord. I haven't seen both of them in play for ages but they are still playable in some big decks. So for me they fit to 3rd tier.
I have certainly seen The Lich King lately, the taunt makes him a more reliable pull for "Big" decks, notably Shaman, but Warrior, Priest, Druid and Rogue are options as well. Rag, on the other hand, seems to only be played in Highlander hunter as a finisher. Both seem gone from mid-range curve decks, which makes me a bit sad.
I will keep it as it is for now, big shaman could make a comeback with the tiller combo rework.
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A few uptads for the Standard part of the crafting guide:
Natalie Seline Tier 2 to 4
Altruis the Outcast Tier 1 to 2
Goru the Mightree Tier 4 to 2
Colossus of the Moon Tier 3 to 2
Yogg-Saron, Master of Fate Tier 2 to 3
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Just got inspired to do some cleanups in the Wild section:
High Abbess Alura Tier 1 to 2
Archwitch Willow Tier 1 to 2
Dragonqueen Alexstrasza Tier 1 to 3
Speaker Gidra Tier 2 to 3
Floop's Glorious Gloop Tier 2 to 3
Foe Reaper 4000 Tier 4 to 5
Feedback appreciated as always. As so many cards in Wild see so little play, it is very difficult to find uses for them!
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Updates for the Standard section:
Nozdormu the Timeless Tier 2 to 1
Sphere of Sapience Tier 4 to 1
Kayn Sunfury Tier 1 to 2
Inara Stormcrash 1 to 2
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Updates for the Standard section:
Tenwu of the Red Smoke Tier 2 to 3
Keli'dan the Breaker Tier 2 to 3
G'huun the Blood God Tier 3 to 4
Keywarden Ivory To tier 2
Moonfang To tier 2
Dark Inquisitor Xanesh To tier 4
Envoy Rustwix To tier 3
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Update:
Added some "awaiting placement" cards and added "nerf revert incoming".
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Another minor update:
The Caverns Below moved from tier 4 to 3 awaiting the nerf revert.
Also cleaned up the list a bit.
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Reno the Relicologist, Sindragosa, Malygos 2.0 and any other Reno Mage card should be tier 3.
Also Whizbang should be tier 4 or even tier 5, if you want to be F2P just craft secret mage or another cheap meta deck or play standard, Whizbang's decks are terrible and he isn't worth 1600 dust.
Added a guide for the classic format:
TIER 1, Staples
Bloodmage Thalnos
Cairne Bloodhoof
Cenarius
Edwin VanCleef
Leeroy Jenkins
Ragnaros the Firelord
Sylvanas Windrunner
TIER 2, Tech
Al'Akir the Windlord
Grommash Hellscream
Harrison Jones
Lord Jaraxxus
The Black Knight
Tirion Fordring
Ysera
TIER 3, Playable
Alexstrasza
Baron Geddon
Malygos
Old Murk-Eye
Prophet Velen
TIER 4, Niche
Archmage Antonidas
Captain Greenskin
Deathwing
Hogger
Illidan Stormrage
King Krush
King Mukla
Onyxia
Tinkmaster Overspark
TIER 5, Trash
Gelbin Mekkatorque
Gruul
Elite Tauren Chieftain
Lorewalker Cho
Millhouse Manastorm
Nozdormu
The Beast
Feedback appreciated as always!
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Just made the guide ready for the standard rotation! A lot of cards awaiting placement, and the main focus will be the new legendaries in the Barrens and Core sets.
There is a LOT to do right now...Feedback appreciated as always,
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Added a few very early expected tiers for some new cards:
Kargal Battlescar Expected tier 1-2
Kazakus, Golem Shaper Expected tier 1-2
Mankrik Expected tier 1-2
Not quite sure what to do with the "core" set, it might fit in the guide as a reference, even though the cards are free.
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Added some more expected tiers.
Kargal Battlescar* - Very strong card watch post synergies deck for several, (expected tier 1)
Kazakus, Golem Shaper* - Very strong card in several classes, (expected tier 1)
Cannonmaster Smythe* - Expected tier 1-2
Cariel Roame* - Expected tier 1-2
Tamsin Roame* - Expected tier 1-2
Mankrik* - Expected tier 1-2
Varden Dawngrasp* - 2-3
Xyrella* - Expected tier 2-3
Shadow Hunter Vol'jin* - Expected tier 2-3
Scabbs Cutterbutter* - Expected tier 3-4
Apothecary Helbrim* - Expected tier 3-5
Tavish Stormpike* - Expected tier 3-5
Neeru Fireblade* - Expected tier 4-5
The 2 top neutrals of this expansion seem so strong and flexible they will likely be placed in the guide very soon. I have crafted them both myself already...
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The first Forged in Barrens legendary has found its way into the guide:
Kazakus, Golem Shaper To tier 1
Also, some more expected tiers are added.
A minor ajustment for the Classic part of the guide:
Alexstrasza (classic) Tier 3 to 2
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All expected tiers ready, some more accurate than others, hoping they will all land within the expected areas!
Kargal Battlescar* - Very strong card watch post synergies deck for several, (expected tier 1)
Cannonmaster Smythe* - Expected tier 1-2
Cariel Roame* - Expected tier 1-2
Tamsin Roame* - Expected tier 1-2
Mankrik* - Staple finisher in Herotower and Ping mage. Expected tier 1-2
Death Speaker Blackthorn* - Buildaround in Deathrattle DH. Expected tier 1-3
Guff Runetotem* - Expected tier 1-3
Mordresh Fire Eye* - Expected tier 1-3
Bru'kan * - Staple in aggro and spell damage shaman, also Wild synergies. Expected tier 1-3
Blademaster Samuro * - Expected tier 2-3
Rokara* - Also playable in Wild pirate warrior. Expected tier 2-3
Varden Dawngrasp* - Expected tier 2-3
Xyrella* - Expected tier 2-3
Shadow Hunter Vol'jin* - Expected tier 2-3
Kurtrus Ashfallen* - Expected tier 2-4
Barak Kodobane* - Expected tier 2-4
Firemancer Flurgl* - Expected tier 2-4
Overlord Saurfang* - Expected tier 2-4
Scabbs Cutterbutter* - Expected tier 3-4
Apothecary Helbrim* - Expected tier 3-5
Serena Bloodfeather* - Expected tier 3-5
Tavish Stormpike* - Expected tier 3-5
Neeru Fireblade* - Expected tier 4-5
Plaguemaw the Rotting* - Expected tier 4-5
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Expected tiers added for all cards in the Core set.
Taelan Fordring* - Expected tier 1-2
Tirion Fordring* - Expected tier 1-2
Lord Jaraxxus* (playable hero version) - Expected tier 1-2
Al'Akir the Windlord* - Expected tier 1-3
Bloodmage Thalnos* - Expected tier 1-3
Aegwynn, the Guardian* - Expected tier 2-3
Alexstrasza the Life-Binder* Expected tier 2-3
Grommash Hellscream* - Playable in rush and control warrior. Expected tier 2-3
Vanessa VanCleef* - Playable tech in most rogue decks, low winrate. Expected tier 2-4
Ysera the Dreamer* - Expected tier 2-4
Kor'vas Bloodthorn* - Playable in aggro DH. Expected tier 2-4
Baron Rivendare * - Expected tier 3-4
Malygos the Spellweaver* - Playable in several classes but low overall winrate. Expected tier 3-4
Overlord Runthak* - Playable in Rush warrior and ping mage. Expected tier 3-5
Brightwing* - Sees little play in the format, low winrate. Expected tier 4-5
Baron Geddon* - Expected tier 4-5
Deathwing the Destroyer* - Expected tier 4-5
Cenarius* Expected tier 4-5
Cairne Bloodhoof* Expected tier 4-5
King Krush - Expected tier 4-5
King Mukla - Expected tier 4-5
High Inquisitor Whitemane - Expected tier 4-5
Natalie Seline* - Weak card in the current metagame. Expected tier 4-5
Nozdormu the Eternal* - Meme card, even with better stats for cost. Expected tier 4-5
Onyxia the Broodmother - Expected tier 4-5
There were also some ajustments to the Classic guide, and it was moved to the bottom of the OP:
Tirion Fordring Tier 2 to 3 (classic)
Malygos Tier 3 to 4 (classic)
Archmage Antonidas Tier 4 to 3 (classic)
I am considering putting the Classic part of the guide into a spoiler.
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A few ajustments to the Wild section:
Mozaki, Master Duelist To tier 2
Y'Shaarj, Rage Unbound Tier 2 to 3
SN1P-SN4P Tier 2 to 3
Aya Blackpaw Tier 3 to 4
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