Word of caution for people interested in High Abbess Alura. Only craft her if you intend to play Pure/Libram Paladin because Tempo Priest is absolute garbage. I crafted her with the intention of experimenting with the archetype but it simply doesn't work. The deck lacks card draw and it doesn't do a good job fighting for the board against the other Tempo/Aggro decks of the meta. Losing the board once means instant defeat as the deck lacks an effective way of refilling the hand and doesn't have a way to regain board control. The only hope of winning a game with this archetype is through a huge early game snowball against a passive opponent.
And before anyone says anything: No, Voracious Reader isn't good enough. That card only works for hyper aggressive decks with an extremely low curve. What happens very frequently when playing with this archetype is this: you draw a bunch of buff spells and your hand becomes clogged with a bunch of stuff that you have to play one by one very slowly. In this scenario, Reader becomes really awkward as you don't have a way to empty your hand effectively. By the time you manage to empty your hand enough for Reader to draw a card (and i mean ONE card), the game will be over.
I try to not mention archetypes which are too weak. If tempo priest is in that category, I will remove it.
What i'm saying is from my own personal experience. The stats i can see on HSReplay are from very low ranks as i don't have access to premium data. It is Tier 4 in those low ranks (Bronze through Gold). But i haven't seen anyone playing with this archetype around Diamond. I tend to just stop my climb around Diamond 5 and then i experiment with all sorts of ideas but this archetype is something they are clearly forcing. I was pessimistic about it even before the release but i decided to experiment anyway because i just like to do that. And the experience was terrible. Crushing defeat after crushing defeat (and a crushing win very rarely).
I also tried a deathrattle variant with Disciplinarian Gandling but not much changed. The boards are a little stickier but it doesn't solve the core issues of the archetype (lack of draw and no ways of regaining board control).
Ok, thanks. I am trying to figure out how to put this into the guide, though. It is an archetype which sees some play, and the card is a staple in it. By the numbers, it does ok vs druids, but is smoked by paladin and rogue.
I will remove the mention of tempo priest for now, it is not good if priest players regret their crafts.
I'd hold off on that, = Safe to dust , advice for now.
They've confirmed that they're doing a full Classic and Basic set revamp at the end of the year. This includes all those old, unplayable Legendaries that are simply too weak now. Lots of stuff will be rotating out, meaning possible full dust refunds, dusting it now is probably not a good idea.
I'd hold off on that, = Safe to dust , advice for now.
They've confirmed that they're doing a full Classic and Basic set revamp at the end of the year. This includes all those old, unplayable Legendaries that are simply too weak now. Lots of stuff will be rotating out, meaning possible full dust refunds, dusting it now is probably not a good idea.
They don't give dust refunds for buffed cards, and they have not buffed an "old unplayable legendary" yet, and I doubt they will.
What has happened is that unplayable cards have found important roles in powerful decks, but that has not really included ones from the classic set.
While I agree with most of your tier assignments, I think Infiltrator Lilian should be tier 2 and not 1 as even in the Stealth Rogue archetype she is not auto-include (some decks prefer Akama). Therefore I'd call her a strong card but not a staple.
Also I am surprised to see Ace Hunter Kreen at tier 1. After a month of playing ~200 games I have literally never had an opponent play this card against me
I agree that Ace Hunter Kreen could move to Tier 2 at least. Solid card that can be thrown into any DH deck, but not quite a staple. Same with Metamorphosis, I haven't seen that card played in a while. Maybe it's been used once against me since it's been nerfed.
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I definitely agree with what some other users wrote before, that Ace Hunter Kreen should be moved to tier 2. Well, he is a strong card, but genuinely I have not seen him played even once. I think he is the Maiev Shadowsong of this set, if you know what I mean. While for me it doesn't really make a big difference, many players who are new to the game and come here seeking advice may be misled by Kreen's rating, so I guess he should be moved to tier 2. Maybe with a description like "Very strong card, but struggles to find place in current meta decks".
Where did you put Sphere of Sapience? I can't see it (and some other cards) in the changelog.
I am happy to hear some actually read the changelog, it is a pain to scroll up and down to update it. Sphere of Sapience should be easier to find in tier 3 in the guide.
I had doubts about Ace Hunter Kreen, as his winrate was high even at higher levels and the effect should have long term implications for the power of his 2 classes. Tier 2 is fine, though.
Metamorphosis had a dramatic fall in winrate lately, the metagame seems indeed to move away from that card.
I think Galakrond, the Nightmare should be moved to Tier 2. His swing potential was greatly affected by the nerf and the meta is way too fast for him. Most Rogue decks right now are super aggressive and/or low curve. Stealth Rogue, Weapon Rogue and Secret Rogue don't use him. Even Flik Skyshiv and Heistbaron Togwaggle aren't seeing a ton of play at the moment but they could rise again very easily. That's not the case for Galakrond, i believe.
I think Galakrond, the Nightmare should be moved to Tier 2. His swing potential was greatly affected by the nerf and the meta is way too fast for him. Most Rogue decks right now are super aggressive and/or low curve. Stealth Rogue, Weapon Rogue and Secret Rogue don't use him. Even Flik Skyshiv and Heistbaron Togwaggle aren't seeing a ton of play at the moment but they could rise again very easily. That's not the case for Galakrond, i believe.
Kael'thas Sunstrider has been cut by many Druid decks post-nerf (and no toher deck is using it anyway). I'd say it's more of a tier 2 now.
Astromancer Solarian (primarily) and also Evocation are tier-1 level cards in my opinion, both in terms of their value in the decks that they are used and in terms of pure value
I suppose so. Ranking of epics is dead too. And even my post with my version of both rankings has been flagged as spam and deleted after few years of beeing updated.
Ok, thanks. I am trying to figure out how to put this into the guide, though. It is an archetype which sees some play, and the card is a staple in it. By the numbers, it does ok vs druids, but is smoked by paladin and rogue.
I will remove the mention of tempo priest for now, it is not good if priest players regret their crafts.
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I'd hold off on that, = Safe to dust , advice for now.
They've confirmed that they're doing a full Classic and Basic set revamp at the end of the year. This includes all those old, unplayable Legendaries that are simply too weak now. Lots of stuff will be rotating out, meaning possible full dust refunds, dusting it now is probably not a good idea.
They don't give dust refunds for buffed cards, and they have not buffed an "old unplayable legendary" yet, and I doubt they will.
What has happened is that unplayable cards have found important roles in powerful decks, but that has not really included ones from the classic set.
A few more updates, getting there slowly!
Instructor Fireheart To tier 2
Ras Frostwhisper To tier 2
Magtheridon Tier 4 to 2
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More updates ready, all new legendaries have now their descriptions up.
Keymaster Alabaster To tier 4
Professor Slate To tier 4
Feedback appreciated!
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More updates, the new cards are almost placed now!
Lord Barov To tier 1
Lorekeeper Polkelt To tier 1
Rattlegore To tier 2
Headmaster Kel'Thuzad To tier 2
Forest Warden Omu To tier 2
Archwitch Willow To tier 4
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All new legendaries are now in the guide! Now time for some polish and hoping the metagame will not change too much!
Mindrender Illucia To tier 1
Ace Hunter Kreen To tier 1
Vectus To tier 3
Shan'do Wildclaw To tier 3
Star Student Stelina To tier 3
Mozaki, Master Duelist To tier 3
Turalyon, the Tenured To tier 3
Feedback appreciated, I do not want people who use this guide for their crafts to be disappointed!
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While I agree with most of your tier assignments, I think Infiltrator Lilian should be tier 2 and not 1 as even in the Stealth Rogue archetype she is not auto-include (some decks prefer Akama). Therefore I'd call her a strong card but not a staple.
Also I am surprised to see Ace Hunter Kreen at tier 1. After a month of playing ~200 games I have literally never had an opponent play this card against me
I agree that Ace Hunter Kreen could move to Tier 2 at least. Solid card that can be thrown into any DH deck, but not quite a staple. Same with Metamorphosis, I haven't seen that card played in a while. Maybe it's been used once against me since it's been nerfed.
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I definitely agree with what some other users wrote before, that Ace Hunter Kreen should be moved to tier 2. Well, he is a strong card, but genuinely I have not seen him played even once. I think he is the Maiev Shadowsong of this set, if you know what I mean. While for me it doesn't really make a big difference, many players who are new to the game and come here seeking advice may be misled by Kreen's rating, so I guess he should be moved to tier 2. Maybe with a description like "Very strong card, but struggles to find place in current meta decks".
Where did you put Sphere of Sapience? I can't see it (and some other cards) in the changelog.
I am happy to hear some actually read the changelog, it is a pain to scroll up and down to update it. Sphere of Sapience should be easier to find in tier 3 in the guide.
Ace Hunter Kreen Tier 1 to 2
Metamorphosis Tier 1 to 3
I had doubts about Ace Hunter Kreen, as his winrate was high even at higher levels and the effect should have long term implications for the power of his 2 classes. Tier 2 is fine, though.
Metamorphosis had a dramatic fall in winrate lately, the metagame seems indeed to move away from that card.
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I think Galakrond, the Nightmare should be moved to Tier 2. His swing potential was greatly affected by the nerf and the meta is way too fast for him. Most Rogue decks right now are super aggressive and/or low curve. Stealth Rogue, Weapon Rogue and Secret Rogue don't use him. Even Flik Skyshiv and Heistbaron Togwaggle aren't seeing a ton of play at the moment but they could rise again very easily. That's not the case for Galakrond, i believe.
Thx.
Galakrond, the Nightmare Tier 1 to 2
Heistbaron Togwaggle Tier 1 to 2
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Some more update suggestions:
Kael'thas Sunstrider has been cut by many Druid decks post-nerf (and no toher deck is using it anyway). I'd say it's more of a tier 2 now.
Astromancer Solarian (primarily) and also Evocation are tier-1 level cards in my opinion, both in terms of their value in the decks that they are used and in terms of pure value
Never thought that Magtheridon can become tier 2 ... Lucky to still have it. :P~~~
I can only find DH to use it. Is this how this tier 2 meant for ??
:P~~~
It is currently used successfully both in Soul demon hunter, control demon hunter and Warrior.
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Some updates for the Wild section, more to come:
Dr. Boom Tier 2 to 3
Kingsbane Tier 3 to 1
Bloodmage Thalnos Tier 2 to 1
Kayn Sunfury Tier 1 to 3
Metamorphosis Tier 1 to 3
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Is this thread dead? It hasn't been updated in nearly two months even though a new expansion releases in only a few days.
I suppose so. Ranking of epics is dead too. And even my post with my version of both rankings has been flagged as spam and deleted after few years of beeing updated.