Added expected tiers of the legendaries of the latest adventure. ALL legendaries are included. This is so they can be references in powerlevel to other cards, and it will be easier to estimate the value of buying adventures.
Grand Lackey Erkh - While he is neutral and sort-of useful in singleton decks, his main purpose is to crank out lots of 4/4s after Dark Pharaoh Tekahn has been played. This means that his tier will likely never exceed Tekahn's. I'd put him at tier 4 currently and can't really see him going above tier 3 unless something miraculous happens.
Sky Gen'ral Kragg - Auto include in quest hunter and for that he merits tier 1 status. Use in other decks is nebulous though as quest druid and quest warlock don't need it, quest priest doesn't want it to pollute the rez pool, and quest shaman and quest rogue got power crept out of the meta. For those Galakrond rogues who are still running the quest, stop as it's not worth it and you're making everyone look bad. :P
The Amazing Reno - Auto include in any viable non-aggro mage deck, which at the moment is only singleton mage; a tier 3 deck. Reno is tier 2 by being a staple of a lesser deck. If mage goes up or down, his tier will follow.
The Fist of Ra-den - Shaman is in a bad bad state and Ra-den isn't helping much. It's not a bad card, it's just that it's in a bad class. It's tier 4 at the moment and will be until the meta gets turned upside-down and shaken again.
Glinda Crowskin has been popping up in Quest Warlock and Thijs has made some very good use out of it, together with Quest Hero Power, The Soularium and Plot Twist and of course just with Lackeys can generate a ton of value.
It is a high skill deck, so this won't be Tier 1 but it seems like the Lackey Quest Warlock is a viable deck, I would say currently Tier 2-3?
Barista Lynchen no longer Tier 1 as no one is using her anymore. Zul'jin is not being used much either. Subject 9 is nowhere to be seen as well (talking about Standard).
Lord Godfrey is definitely not a Tier 4 card, it's a staple in Galakrond Control Warlock, which was Tier 1 last month and heavily used in tournaments as well. It's Tier 2 at least now, definitely sees much more play than some of the stuff there, like Blastmaster, Elysiana, Ysera, Kangor's and etc.
Galakrond, the Unspeakable is actually seeing play in a non-Quest Ressurrect Priest variant, which seems to be having better winrate than the Quest varian. Should be upped to Tier 3 at least.
Barista Lynchen no longer Tier 1 as no one is using her anymore. Zul'jin is not being used much either. Subject 9 is nowhere to be seen as well (talking about Standard).
Lord Godfrey is definitely not a Tier 4 card, it's a staple in Galakrond Control Warlock, which was Tier 1 last month and heavily used in tournaments as well. It's Tier 2 at least now, definitely sees much more play than some of the stuff there, like Blastmaster, Elysiana, Ysera, Kangor's and etc.
Galakrond, the Unspeakable is actually seeing play in a non-Quest Ressurrect Priest variant, which seems to be having better winrate than the Quest varian. Should be upped to Tier 3 at least.
Thanks for the feedback, I will probably do most of these changes.
Just watched Firebat play Thief Priest Highlander deck with Chameleos vs HL hunter... it was disgusting, I wouldn't say it's t5 trash. Like he says "it keeps giving more information, it's not a one time usage, 0 mana gain information"
Just watched Firebat play Thief Priest Highlander deck with Chameleos vs HL hunter... it was disgusting, I wouldn't say it's t5 trash. Like he says "it keeps giving more information, it's not a one time usage, 0 mana gain information"
I'll bump him to T4, his wirates are not that terrible. Thanks.
Thanks! I actually found the cards to be slightly stronger than that, I do NOT like to promote cards, so it is often better to start out on the high side.
Also: With the new "owned" tag, dusting advice should probably change slightly. You will now not reopen a dusted legendary until you have had ALL other legendaries in the set in your collection.
In some ways, dusting is safer now, but if you are also unlikely to open a dusted legendary you regret DEing.
Does anybody know if there was an "owned" tag for legendaries in place already? I believe not.
I don’t think so. My free legendary from WW was Duskfallen Aviana. I ended up dusting her, and later got her AGAIN in a quest reward pack during year of the dragon. Yep, bad luck.
No, there was not. Or at least not with the rule that you can't open them again (predictably) after disenchanting them.
I know from a friend that he opened Hir'eek again after disenchanting him without having all the legendaries in RR.
You can also watch one of Kripp's massive pack openings like the one for KFT, where he disenchants and obtains specific legendaries again multiple times while trying to get a golden one.
If I understood it correctly, the new system will not allow that anymore, and after you "owned" every card of a given rarity, you can only open them again at random, if you already disenchanted them. So, if you disenchanted a legendary now, you would first have to open every other legendary of that set, and then it's random if you get it again.
Illidan Stormrage card needs an update. It has been changed to Xavius. It should also be demoted as it's been outclassed by powercreep and hasn't seen any play.
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A few updates for the Wild section:
Sunkeeper Tarim Tier 1 to 2
Open the Waygate Tier 3 to 1
Dr. Morrigan To tier 3
Colossus of the Moon To tier 3
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Added expected tiers of the legendaries of the latest adventure. ALL legendaries are included. This is so they can be references in powerlevel to other cards, and it will be easier to estimate the value of buying adventures.
GAW - Galakrond's Awakening:
The Amazing Reno (Expected tier 1-3)
Sky Gen'ral Kragg (Expected tier 2-3)
Grand Lackey Erkh (Expected tier 3-4)
The Fist of Ra-den (Expected tier 3-5)
This adventure does not look that strong as far as legendaries go.
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Grand Lackey Erkh - While he is neutral and sort-of useful in singleton decks, his main purpose is to crank out lots of 4/4s after Dark Pharaoh Tekahn has been played. This means that his tier will likely never exceed Tekahn's. I'd put him at tier 4 currently and can't really see him going above tier 3 unless something miraculous happens.
Sky Gen'ral Kragg - Auto include in quest hunter and for that he merits tier 1 status. Use in other decks is nebulous though as quest druid and quest warlock don't need it, quest priest doesn't want it to pollute the rez pool, and quest shaman and quest rogue got power crept out of the meta. For those Galakrond rogues who are still running the quest, stop as it's not worth it and you're making everyone look bad. :P
The Amazing Reno - Auto include in any viable non-aggro mage deck, which at the moment is only singleton mage; a tier 3 deck. Reno is tier 2 by being a staple of a lesser deck. If mage goes up or down, his tier will follow.
The Fist of Ra-den - Shaman is in a bad bad state and Ra-den isn't helping much. It's not a bad card, it's just that it's in a bad class. It's tier 4 at the moment and will be until the meta gets turned upside-down and shaken again.
Galakrond the Tempest definetely does not deserve the t2 status. At best he is T4 or T5.
Thanks for the feedback. Some updates:
Bandersmosh Tier 3 to 4
Sky Gen'ral Kragg To tier 1
Galakrond, the Tempest Tier 2 to 3
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Glinda Crowskin has been popping up in Quest Warlock and Thijs has made some very good use out of it, together with Quest Hero Power, The Soularium and Plot Twist and of course just with Lackeys can generate a ton of value.
It is a high skill deck, so this won't be Tier 1 but it seems like the Lackey Quest Warlock is a viable deck, I would say currently Tier 2-3?
"AhaA!"
It's time to upgrade Knuckles a couple of tiers. He's really quite playable in combination with cards like Goblin Prank, The Beast Within, and Scarlet Webweaver.
Barista Lynchen no longer Tier 1 as no one is using her anymore. Zul'jin is not being used much either. Subject 9 is nowhere to be seen as well (talking about Standard).
Shu'ma is not a staple of Quest Hunter (Boommaster Flark is, though the card is playable, prob should be T3. Never saw a Handlock ~2-3 months, Valdris Felgorge and Zzeraku the Warped prob should get demoted a tier.
Anka, the Buried. Armagedillo, Sir Finley of the Sands. Kangor's Endless Army, The Storm Bringer should all drop a tier, don't see these cards anywhere.
Heistbaron Togwaggle should definitely be tier 1. It's NOT replaceable.
Lord Godfrey is definitely not a Tier 4 card, it's a staple in Galakrond Control Warlock, which was Tier 1 last month and heavily used in tournaments as well. It's Tier 2 at least now, definitely sees much more play than some of the stuff there, like Blastmaster, Elysiana, Ysera, Kangor's and etc.
Galakrond, the Unspeakable is actually seeing play in a non-Quest Ressurrect Priest variant, which seems to be having better winrate than the Quest varian. Should be upped to Tier 3 at least.
Thanks for the feedback, I will probably do most of these changes.
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First 3 "nerfs":
Barista Lynchen Tier 1 to 3
Zul'jin Tier 1 to 2
Zentimo Tier 2 to 4
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF9fGgHtnAs
Just watched Firebat play Thief Priest Highlander deck with Chameleos vs HL hunter... it was disgusting, I wouldn't say it's t5 trash. Like he says "it keeps giving more information, it's not a one time usage, 0 mana gain information"
I'll bump him to T4, his wirates are not that terrible. Thanks.
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I think it can find a spot in the highlander deck
Grand Lackey Erkh should probably be tier 4. I've wanted her to work, but she is the definition of niche.
Oh and The Fist of Ra-den is so trash... I think we can say that now.
Thanks! I actually found the cards to be slightly stronger than that, I do NOT like to promote cards, so it is often better to start out on the high side.
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Some updates for Wild, also removed Leeroy Jenkins from Standard.
Leeroy Jenkins Moved to "Hall of Fame"
Old Murk-Eye Tier 1 to 2
Myra's Unstable Element Tier 1 to 2
Reno the Relicologist Tier 2 to 1
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Also:
With the new "owned" tag, dusting advice should probably change slightly. You will now not reopen a dusted legendary until you have had ALL other legendaries in the set in your collection.
In some ways, dusting is safer now, but if you are also unlikely to open a dusted legendary you regret DEing.
Does anybody know if there was an "owned" tag for legendaries in place already? I believe not.
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I don’t think so. My free legendary from WW was Duskfallen Aviana. I ended up dusting her, and later got her AGAIN in a quest reward pack during year of the dragon. Yep, bad luck.
No, there was not. Or at least not with the rule that you can't open them again (predictably) after disenchanting them.
I know from a friend that he opened Hir'eek again after disenchanting him without having all the legendaries in RR.
You can also watch one of Kripp's massive pack openings like the one for KFT, where he disenchants and obtains specific legendaries again multiple times while trying to get a golden one.
If I understood it correctly, the new system will not allow that anymore, and after you "owned" every card of a given rarity, you can only open them again at random, if you already disenchanted them. So, if you disenchanted a legendary now, you would first have to open every other legendary of that set, and then it's random if you get it again.
But maybe I got that part wrong.
Illidan Stormrage card needs an update. It has been changed to Xavius. It should also be demoted as it's been outclassed by powercreep and hasn't seen any play.