I have a few suggestions to improve the guide further:
Firstly, Countess Ashmore should be dropped to T4; she sees little niche play in mech paladin, otherwise she's cut from most other decks due to being too slow, she also has low winrate.
Is there any particular reason why Flobbidinous Floop is in T3 while other quest druid staples are in T2? His winrate is on par with other legendaries in T2, and also sees play in some token variants.
Myra Rotspring should be T5: deathrattle rogue is not currently viable, but even when it was semi-viable pre-rotation she didn't see play much play; she also has very bad winrate currently.
Lady in White should be T5 too, she has very bad winrate and silence priest is almost non-existent as a deck.
I have a few suggestions to improve the guide further:
Firstly, Countess Ashmore should be dropped to T4; she sees little niche play in mech paladin, otherwise she's cut from most other decks due to being too slow, she also has low winrate.
Is there any particular reason why Flobbidinous Floop is in T3 while other quest druid staples are in T2? His winrate is on par with other legendaries in T2, and also sees play in some token variants.
Myra Rotspring should be T5: deathrattle rogue is not currently viable, but even when it was semi-viable pre-rotation she didn't see play much play; she also has very bad winrate currently.
Lady in White should be T5 too, she has very bad winrate and silence priest is almost non-existent as a deck.
Countess Ashmore? She's still a perfectly playable card. In fact, Zephrys the Great might give her a chance to shine. I wouldn't move her lower than tier 3 right now.
Flobbidinous Floop should probably be the very same tier as Elise the Enlightened as they are usually part of the same win condition. Keeper Stalladris and Wardruid Loti are the more proactive of the bunch. That being said, I don't expect Untapped Potential to make a comeback post nerfs. Sure, people will play it but it's going to be a tier 3 deck at best as it collapses to highlander hunter which isn't being nerfed.
If it were my call, both Myra Rotspring and Lady in White would be tier 5'd long ago. Myra wasn't even relevant when deathrattle rogue was still being played and the existence of Sahket Sapper only makes her worse. Lady in White has always been a problematic card to get value from, where you have to build your deck around her with no guarantee that you'll ever draw her. So absolutely send Myra to the trash; no card printed in the final Year of the Dragon expansion will likely make her viable. As for Lady in White? There already exists an archetype that she can be easily slotted into and that is wall priest. Wall priest is a tier 4 deck, but it is still being refined and as it stands now, Lady is a great choice as she is a game swing when played but the deck still has a win condition without her. When people give up on wall priest, she can be moved to tier 5 but for now she's a niche tier 4 card.
Is Myra's Unstable Element viable in any decks right now? I accidentally crafted it instead of a different card with the recent nerfs and d/eing Luna's and don't wanna be out 1600 dust.
Is Myra's Unstable Element viable in any decks right now? I accidentally crafted it instead of a different card with the recent nerfs and d/eing Luna's and don't wanna be out 1600 dust.
Myra's is an amazing card. It's probably the very best rogue legendary and that's in a class that contains Edwin VanCleef.
By the way, for future reference you can undo a card craft as long as you don't click off of it.
Oof gotta say some hard disagrees, here's my brief wild tier list:
S Tier - Loatheb, Zepharys, Zola,Brann , Brann Dino, Reno, Reno Relec, Leeroy, zillax, kazakus, mal ganis, Bloodreaver Guldan, Aluneth
1st tier - Siamat, mojo master, sir finley, Emperor, keleseth, kun the forgotten, Dr. boom, Unite the murlocs, Harrison Jones (synergy with blingtron3000), blingtron 3000 (versatile curve filler with weapon removal. Synergy with Harrison Jones).
Oof gotta say some hard disagrees, here's my brief wild tier list:
S Tier - Loatheb, Zepharys, Zola,Brann , Brann Dino, Reno, Reno Relec, Leeroy, zillax, kazakus, mal ganis, Bloodreaver Guldan, Aluneth
1st tier - Siamat, mojo master, sir finley, Emperor, keleseth, kun the forgotten, Dr. boom, Unite the murlocs, Harrison Jones (synergy with blingtron3000), blingtron 3000 (versatile curve filler with weapon removal. Synergy with Harrison Jones).
Thanks for feedback, but it would be very helpful if you could also explain a bit more about why you thing those cards are so strong.
The overall winrates of the highlander cards are actually much lower than you would expect although they are played a lot in Wild.
Blingtron 3000 does indeed have a good winrate but sees way too little play to be considered even for tier 3.
I will look through all of them soon and some changes will absolutely be made.
I was a little reluctant to suggest this change initially but after seeing some pros use him I think Bwonsamdi, the Dead should be higher, possibly as high as Tier 3. He's been a solid addition to Quest Wall Priest with Spirit of the Dead, he no longer has a "very low play and winrate", and he can also be used in Combo Priest to draw key cards like Northshire Cleric and Lightwarden.
I was a little reluctant to suggest this change initially but after seeing some pros use him I think Bwonsamdi, the Dead should be higher, possibly as high as Tier 3. He's been a solid addition to Quest Wall Priest with Spirit of the Dead, he no longer has a "very low play and winrate", and he can also be used in Combo Priest to draw key cards like Northshire Cleric and Lightwarden.
Thanks, bang on the money. The deck is doing well, promoted to tier 3 for now but tier 2 seems possible as well.
Archmage Arugal - saw very limited play and doesn't seem to played anymore: Tier 4
Unseal the Vault - Quest Hunter is a good deck at the moment: Tier 2
Flobidous Floop, Untapped Potential & Elise the Enlightened: Tier 2 (Quest Druid's winrate has gone up post-nerfs)
Thanks, did the changes witht the exception of Elise, as there are very strong and common quest druid decks without her. Recent changes: Scargil Tier 2 to 1 Unseal the Vault Tier 3 to 2 Flobbidinous Floop Tier 3 to 2 Archmage Arugal Tier 3 to 4
Also updated the text of Shudderwock and some other cards.
It might be a little early to do this but it looks like Prince Liam has finally found a home in Highlander Paladin and could be moved up to Tier 3. The amount of 1-cost cards that Highlander Paladin uses means that he will frequently be able to give you a good amount of legendary minions, which makes him invaluable against slower decks. I will admit his playrate is still pretty low, but his winrate is more than good enough for Tier 3.
I know that Archmage Vargoth is a versatile card which functions well in a variety of decks and will almost certainly be worthy of Tier 1 at some point in the future, but for now I think he should spend some time down in Tier 2. In the current meta he really only sees play in Resurrect Priest and Big Paladin, neither of which are particularly good and I would not recommend new players craft him right now.
(Also I completely underestimated how good Bwonsamdi, the Dead is in Combo Priest; he should move up to Tier 2 IMO, if not Tier 1. In fact, let's have him switch places with Hex Lord Malacrass, who suffered a serious blow due to the LPG nerf and really belongs in Tier 3.)
Yeah I agree with all of these. Also Keeper Stallardis seems to have dropped significantly and Boommaster is sort of in between Tier 1 and Tier 2 imo as he's mainly played in Quest Hunter decks.
With the Wild Data Reaper Report out I have a few more suggestions:
Glinda Crowskin is absolutely bonkers in Wild; pretty easily in Tier 1. SN1P-SN4P Warlock is an insane deck with virtually no weak matchups, and Glinda is a staple in said deck. The playrate's a little low, sure, but the winrate is incredible.
Aviana can safely move up to Tier 3. Togwaggle Druid appears to be a pretty solid deck, with or without Star Aligner. Besides, it just makes sense to put it in the same tier as Kun the Forgotten King.
Open the Waygate, on the other hand, should move down to Tier 3. Quest Mage performs absolutely horribly against the most popular deck in the game, Secret Mage, and as long as this is the case, the deck's a poor choice to climb the ladder with.
Inkmaster Solia also belongs in Tier 3. Its playrate is low, but its winrate is excellent because of how well Reno Mage is performing right now.
I suggest that Y'Shaarj, Rage Unbound and N'Zoth, the Corruptor switch places. The collapse of Big Priest and low playrate of Darkest Hour Warlock means Y'Shaarj isn't really Tier 1 material in the current meta, whereas Reno Mage and Reno Hunter are making good use of N'Zoth, whose playrate is through the roof.
With the Wild Data Reaper Report out I have a few more suggestions:
Glinda Crowskin is absolutely bonkers in Wild; pretty easily in Tier 1. SN1P-SN4P Warlock is an insane deck with virtually no weak matchups, and Glinda is a staple in said deck. The playrate's a little low, sure, but the winrate is incredible.
Aviana can safely move up to Tier 3. Togwaggle Druid appears to be a pretty solid deck, with or without Star Aligner. Besides, it just makes sense to put it in the same tier as Kun the Forgotten King.
Open the Waygate, on the other hand, should move down to Tier 3. Quest Mage performs absolutely horribly against the most popular deck in the game, Secret Mage, and as long as this is the case, the deck's a poor choice to climb the ladder with.
Inkmaster Solia also belongs in Tier 3. Its playrate is low, but its winrate is excellent because of how well Reno Mage is performing right now.
I suggest that Y'Shaarj, Rage Unbound and N'Zoth, the Corruptor switch places. The collapse of Big Priest and low playrate of Darkest Hour Warlock means Y'Shaarj isn't really Tier 1 material in the current meta, whereas Reno Mage and Reno Hunter are making good use of N'Zoth, whose playrate is through the roof.
Thanks, all the suggestions are implemented except that N'Zoth is a tech card in the decks with the best winrates. He stays in tier 2 for now. With aggro secret mage being omnipresent in Wild, he is also slow for the current meta.
All of them in the standard section along with some more updates, thanks to HoraceStapleton.
Unseal the Vault To tier 3
Activate the Obelisk To tier 4
Octosari To tier 3
Colossus of the Moon To tier 4
Bazaar Burglary To tier 3
Untapped Potential To tier 2
Da Undatakah Tier 3 to 2
King Krush Tier 4 to 3
Tess Greymane Tier 4 to 3
Hex Lord Malacrass Tier 4 to 2
Halazzi, the Lynx Tier 4 to 3
Princess Talanji Tier 4 to 5
Next up is further polish following feedback here and the meta and placing the new cards which deserve to be in tier 1-3 of the Wild section.
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I have a few suggestions to improve the guide further:
Countess Ashmore? She's still a perfectly playable card. In fact, Zephrys the Great might give her a chance to shine. I wouldn't move her lower than tier 3 right now.
Flobbidinous Floop should probably be the very same tier as Elise the Enlightened as they are usually part of the same win condition. Keeper Stalladris and Wardruid Loti are the more proactive of the bunch. That being said, I don't expect Untapped Potential to make a comeback post nerfs. Sure, people will play it but it's going to be a tier 3 deck at best as it collapses to highlander hunter which isn't being nerfed.
If it were my call, both Myra Rotspring and Lady in White would be tier 5'd long ago. Myra wasn't even relevant when deathrattle rogue was still being played and the existence of Sahket Sapper only makes her worse. Lady in White has always been a problematic card to get value from, where you have to build your deck around her with no guarantee that you'll ever draw her. So absolutely send Myra to the trash; no card printed in the final Year of the Dragon expansion will likely make her viable. As for Lady in White? There already exists an archetype that she can be easily slotted into and that is wall priest. Wall priest is a tier 4 deck, but it is still being refined and as it stands now, Lady is a great choice as she is a game swing when played but the deck still has a win condition without her. When people give up on wall priest, she can be moved to tier 5 but for now she's a niche tier 4 card.
Is Myra's Unstable Element viable in any decks right now? I accidentally crafted it instead of a different card with the recent nerfs and d/eing Luna's and don't wanna be out 1600 dust.
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It is played in Aggro rogue. T2 in the last Vicious Syndicate list.
Myra's is an amazing card. It's probably the very best rogue legendary and that's in a class that contains Edwin VanCleef.
By the way, for future reference you can undo a card craft as long as you don't click off of it.
Oof gotta say some hard disagrees, here's my brief wild tier list:
S Tier - Loatheb, Zepharys, Zola,Brann , Brann Dino, Reno, Reno Relec, Leeroy, zillax, kazakus, mal ganis, Bloodreaver Guldan, Aluneth
1st tier - Siamat, mojo master, sir finley, Emperor, keleseth, kun the forgotten, Dr. boom, Unite the murlocs, Harrison Jones (synergy with blingtron3000), blingtron 3000 (versatile curve filler with weapon removal. Synergy with Harrison Jones).
Thanks for feedback, but it would be very helpful if you could also explain a bit more about why you thing those cards are so strong.
The overall winrates of the highlander cards are actually much lower than you would expect although they are played a lot in Wild.
Blingtron 3000 does indeed have a good winrate but sees way too little play to be considered even for tier 3.
I will look through all of them soon and some changes will absolutely be made.
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I was a little reluctant to suggest this change initially but after seeing some pros use him I think Bwonsamdi, the Dead should be higher, possibly as high as Tier 3. He's been a solid addition to Quest Wall Priest with Spirit of the Dead, he no longer has a "very low play and winrate", and he can also be used in Combo Priest to draw key cards like Northshire Cleric and Lightwarden.
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Thanks, bang on the money. The deck is doing well, promoted to tier 3 for now but tier 2 seems possible as well.
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My boy Phaoris getting no representation in the wild section by being in tier 2-3. This is so sad.
Some Wild section updates, sorry for the delay:
Vessina To tier 2
King Phaoris To tier 3
Dinotamer Brann Tier 3 to 2
Barnes Tier 1 to 3
Blingtron 3000 Tier 5 to 4
Where is Sir Finley of the Sands played in Wild?
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Couple of suggestions
Archmage Arugal - saw very limited play and doesn't seem to played anymore: Tier 4
Unseal the Vault - Quest Hunter is a good deck at the moment: Tier 2
Flobidous Floop, Untapped Potential & Elise the Enlightened: Tier 2 (Quest Druid's winrate has gone up post-nerfs)
Thanks, did the changes witht the exception of Elise, as there are very strong and common quest druid decks without her. Recent changes:
Scargil Tier 2 to 1
Unseal the Vault Tier 3 to 2
Flobbidinous Floop Tier 3 to 2
Archmage Arugal Tier 3 to 4
Also updated the text of Shudderwock and some other cards.
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It might be a little early to do this but it looks like Prince Liam has finally found a home in Highlander Paladin and could be moved up to Tier 3. The amount of 1-cost cards that Highlander Paladin uses means that he will frequently be able to give you a good amount of legendary minions, which makes him invaluable against slower decks. I will admit his playrate is still pretty low, but his winrate is more than good enough for Tier 3.
I know that Archmage Vargoth is a versatile card which functions well in a variety of decks and will almost certainly be worthy of Tier 1 at some point in the future, but for now I think he should spend some time down in Tier 2. In the current meta he really only sees play in Resurrect Priest and Big Paladin, neither of which are particularly good and I would not recommend new players craft him right now.
(Also I completely underestimated how good Bwonsamdi, the Dead is in Combo Priest; he should move up to Tier 2 IMO, if not Tier 1. In fact, let's have him switch places with Hex Lord Malacrass, who suffered a serious blow due to the LPG nerf and really belongs in Tier 3.)
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Yeah I agree with all of these. Also Keeper Stallardis seems to have dropped significantly and Boommaster is sort of in between Tier 1 and Tier 2 imo as he's mainly played in Quest Hunter decks.
They all made sense thanks.
Archmage Vargoth Tier 1 to 2
Bwonsamdi, the Dead Tier 3 to 1
Hex Lord Malacrass Tier 2 to 3
Prince Liam Tier 4 to 3
Boommaster Flark Tier 1 to 2
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With the Wild Data Reaper Report out I have a few more suggestions:
Glinda Crowskin is absolutely bonkers in Wild; pretty easily in Tier 1. SN1P-SN4P Warlock is an insane deck with virtually no weak matchups, and Glinda is a staple in said deck. The playrate's a little low, sure, but the winrate is incredible.
Aviana can safely move up to Tier 3. Togwaggle Druid appears to be a pretty solid deck, with or without Star Aligner. Besides, it just makes sense to put it in the same tier as Kun the Forgotten King.
Open the Waygate, on the other hand, should move down to Tier 3. Quest Mage performs absolutely horribly against the most popular deck in the game, Secret Mage, and as long as this is the case, the deck's a poor choice to climb the ladder with.
Inkmaster Solia also belongs in Tier 3. Its playrate is low, but its winrate is excellent because of how well Reno Mage is performing right now.
I suggest that Y'Shaarj, Rage Unbound and N'Zoth, the Corruptor switch places. The collapse of Big Priest and low playrate of Darkest Hour Warlock means Y'Shaarj isn't really Tier 1 material in the current meta, whereas Reno Mage and Reno Hunter are making good use of N'Zoth, whose playrate is through the roof.
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Thanks, all the suggestions are implemented except that N'Zoth is a tech card in the decks with the best winrates. He stays in tier 2 for now. With aggro secret mage being omnipresent in Wild, he is also slow for the current meta.
Y'Shaarj, Rage Unbound Tier 1 to 2
Inkmaster Solia Tier 4 to 3
Open the Waygate Tier 2 to 3
Aviana Tier 4 to 3
Glinda Crowskin to tier 2
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whens the next update coming