As for Betrug - I actually want to open him. He seems like a fun inclusion and I'm a fan of the Plot Twist archtype despite not being a strong one atm. Imho it will increase in popularity and in power, when warlock gets a mid-game AoE. One question though - how essential is Dollmaster Dorian in that deck? I don't know if I want to craft him just to include him in a single deck-list.
It depends on how all-in your deck is on the Belrug synergy. Dollmaster is almost a better Belrug in standard so unless you're running Belrug for the rush minions board clear value, you'd want Dollmaster in your deck for sure. He's less essential for something like a wild deathrattle deck but at the same time, I'd highly recommend including Dorian anyway for the fun factor. Doing the combo is fun and he increases consistency
Hey, thx for the comment. I'm a person, who always loves playing fun decks and since you think the Dollmaster is worth the inclusion in this regard, then I will certainly craft him soon.
Y'Shaarj should be T1. He is a staple in Big Priest, Big Rogue, Darkest Hour Warlock, Big Warrior, Big Druid and Big Shaman.
Fixed. He was not promoted before because his general winrate has not been amazing, but he sees more play now than ever, especially because of Darkest Hour warlock.
I think druid legendaries in wild are better especially Fandral, Malfurion, Hadronox and Floop. Even Quest and Tyrantus may be seen in the future. It's not the best class right now, but it's played (not only Token). I played in wild last month and I haven't seen Mojomaster. Is she still Tier 1? Are you planning to add all legendaries to Wild? I don't remember how you finally decided....
I think druid legendaries in wild are better especially Fandral, Malfurion, Hadronox and Floop. Even Quest and Tyrantus may be seen in the future. It's not the best class right now, but it's played (not only Token). I played in wild last month and I haven't seen Mojomaster. Is she still Tier 1? Are you planning to add all legendaries to Wild? I don't remember how you finally decided....
The lower tier legendaries which are equal or worse in Wild will not be added, it just clutters up the list. It is very long already, so I don't see a need to post that yes, Lorewalker Cho also sucks in Wild.
The plan for now is to list the Standard cards that are tier 1 and 2 in Wild and the cards which are placed higher in Wild because of special synergies.
I'll check the Druid legendaries, but I have not noticed major changes since the nerfs in tier lists or ingame. Zihi might be worse, will check too.
I think druid legendaries in wild are better especially Fandral, Malfurion, Hadronox and Floop. Even Quest and Tyrantus may be seen in the future. It's not the best class right now, but it's played (not only Token).
I'll check the Druid legendaries, but I have not noticed major changes since the nerfs in tier lists or ingame. Zihi might be worse, will check too.
Druid now has Vargoth + hecklebot + Oaken summons in wild, which is OP and makes everything that competes with it not worth looking into. Of course, Fandral and Stalladris with Jades is FUN but not as powerful as the above combo unless you're in a mirror. IMO, druid got better this expansion because it's one of the few things that has a chance vs a Big archetype highroll, which are much more popular these days. That said, it didn't really get good enough to deserve a bump up on its wild cards
On an unrelated note, I'd keep an eye on Myra's given that a lot of the rogues are now cutting it. There's a lot more value generation in standard rogue lists and they're slightly fatter in general, making Myra's slightly awkward. Burst like cold blood and fungalmancer are also out, which is what you mostly want to get from Myra's. The Myra's/Nomi deck is also kind of a meme
For a lower tier class, paladin sure has a lot of high tier legendaries. Is Shirvallah really a lower tier card than Thekal? They seem like they are generally in the same decks and the former is more important than the latter
I've run into a few Krag'was in control shaman today. It's in one of the HCT lists too. Good with that recursive healing spell. I don't think he deserves a bump up yet but maybe keep an eye on him too
Speaking of HCT, I think Hagatha the hero card deserves to be T1 given the number of shamans we'll be seeing there. Control and token/bloodlust shaman are represented there but she goes in pretty much every shaman deck other than murlocs
Hey, thx for the comment. I'm a person, who always loves playing fun decks and since you think the Dollmaster is worth the inclusion in this regard, then I will certainly craft him soon.
Just to be clear, I haven't had great success with a deck like that in standard. I know Firebat created one dubbed "Hakkar warlock" on day 1 of the expansion but has since declared it less than competitive once the meta got itself together
However, I believe I have enough experience with the concept to say dollmaster would belong this theoretical deck if it did exist (with support from later sets perhaps?). In other words, you probably don't want to craft him if you're planning to play in standard only unless you really don't mind losing
Just to be clear, I haven't had great success with a deck like that in standard. I know Firebat created one dubbed "Hakkar warlock" on day 1 of the expansion but has since declared it less than competitive once the meta got itself together
However, I believe I have enough experience with the concept to say dollmaster would belong this theoretical deck if it did exist (with support from later sets perhaps?). In other words, you probably don't want to craft him if you're planning to play in standard only unless you really don't mind losing
and tell you, that I don't mind playing in wild. When RR launched, the standard meta became kinda dull for me, so I wanted to try out something different in the eternal format and I had a blast. If RoS causes the same experience for me, I will move to wild again (maybe just to reach r5 and to goof around from there onwards). I read your previous comments, so I'm not blindly taking your advice. I still haven't crafted him yet. Today I opened Commander Rhyssa from a pack, so I will try to open more, until I get a desired legendary. Hopefully I will open Fel Lord Betrug, so that I can craft Dorian imediatelly afterwards. I will craft both of them, if this isn't the case.
Again, thx for your comments. Please, don't worry about my dust investments in niche legendaries. Sometimes I ask for people's advice, when I'm not sure how satisfied I will be with the fun factor. I remember asking the same question for Chameleos and people told me, that the meme factor was worth it. I crafted it and I don't regret it. It's really funny, when I manage to surprise my opponents my their strong cards. So yeah.
Petition to move Archivist Elysiana to Tier 1, as it is becoming more of a mandatory inclusion in control decks, specifically because you pretty much lose the mirror if you don't have it.
Also, how do people feel about Heistbaron Togwaggle? Still Tier 2? Worth the dust? It seems fun and I haven't really crafted many "fun" cards this expansion yet.
Petition to move Archivist Elysiana to Tier 1, as it is becoming more of a mandatory inclusion in control decks, specifically because you pretty much lose the mirror if you don't have it.
Also, how do people feel about Heistbaron Togwaggle? Still Tier 2? Worth the dust? It seems fun and I haven't really crafted many "fun" cards this expansion yet.
If control decks do better she will be promoted, but the winrates are not quite there...
Heistbaron Togwaggle is a great card and fun to play as a last push for Lackey Rogue. Still tier 2, but I am sure some owners considers him Tier 1...
Petition to move Archivist Elysiana to Tier 1, as it is becoming more of a mandatory inclusion in control decks, specifically because you pretty much lose the mirror if you don't have it.
Also, how do people feel about Heistbaron Togwaggle? Still Tier 2? Worth the dust? It seems fun and I haven't really crafted many "fun" cards this expansion yet.
If control decks do better she will be promoted, but the winrates are not quite there...
Heistbaron Togwaggle is a great card and fun to play as a last push for Lackey Rogue. Still tier 2, but I am sure some owners considers him Tier 1...
control warrior is an utter machine now though? I don't play the deck neither so I'm not trying to big it up, neither. It has so many answers and the deck just seems completely organic in being a fatigue deck.
(the taunts that are like dirty rat, then they use that spell version of dirty rat for instance. these 2 cards can really hurt me as a control shaman. waste my copy of brew or play elysiana and I can't win any more. I know this is kinda niche though as I'm playing a tier 4 deck, but control warrior is tier 1 I'm pretty sure now)
I have a feeling after this tournament, you're going to see a lot more control warriors.
Archivist Elysiana is the embodiment of the prisonner's dilemna for control decks in hearthstone :
If nobody plays her, control does better against any archetype except other control decks., as a result it's in the best intrest of the control player community to not play her.
However, if a control player "betray" (it's just a reference, it's not really betrayal) the others and decides to play her, he'll get a net advantage over the other control players, which means better winrate.
However, as the card is completely useless in any other match-up, if every control player plays Elysiana, control will perform overall a lot worse, and the advantage they would gain is lost. However they still have to pick archivist Elysiana, because if they don't, they'll still lose to every other control player.
I agree it's a Tier 1 Card, unfortunately. Really stupid design decision IMO.
Also, how do people feel about Heistbaron Togwaggle? Still Tier 2? Worth the dust? It seems fun and I haven't really crafted many "fun" cards this expansion yet.
I love that adorable fatty. Playable in almost every rogue list with 3 free card slots for 2 EVIL Miscreant and Heistbaron Togwaggle. Great flexibility, good value, lots of fun.
And sometimes, you will get your double Deathwing on Turn 6 with Preparation into Zarog's Crown and that satisfying insta-concede :D
Someone was mentioning that Druid & vargoth & oaken summons etc. are op => i don't really play druid, so i can't tell, but someone who did hit #1 said he tried hecklebot a lot, also the 2/6 taunt that is a 4/6 taunt if alone and the known 4 mana 3/6 taunt: of these 3 taunts, hecklebot was performing notably the worst. in the end he also did cut the 4/6 from his jade deck. (he, however, agrees that vargoth is a *very* powerful addition to jade druid)
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I'm a proud owner of shaman quest and i'm considering crafting Scargil, got almost all murlocs except Old Murk-Eye (DE him looong time ago, still regret) and Finja, the Flying Star
what other legendary cards would be considered in murloc shaman deck? Hagatha obviously, if needed i think my collection is public
I wouldn't say that Hagatha is obvious.... Sure she can generate a lot of value, but it's quite a grasp. You lose a lot of tempo and basically give up on ever establishing a board again. So basically you hope that she gives you spells that can go face. in wild, however, most control decks should not have trouble to outvalue the value gain that hagatha provides and stabilize....
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Hey Guys, Im back to HS after a long break, I put some money in and made 3 decks... Zoo, Token Druid, and Tempo Rogue. Now I am missing one legendary for each deck and I only have dust for one atm.
I need Cleef for rogue, Stalladris for Token and Soularium for zoo...
Stuck around r8 atm and want to get r5 fast...
What card of the 3 should I craft?
Leaning towards VanCleef but fear a nerf might be around the corner, and yes Its still a classic must have etc. But I want to climb Now. thnx
PS. also, I feel warrior is totally broken atm, no decent aggro, tempo beats it. Sure druid seems to do fine on paper... but is performing rather poor atm in general I feel. U need to draw the nuts to win the match up. and u loose allot to other decks.
Van Cleef IMO. Neither Stalladris nor Soularium are really all that necessary in their respective decks, especially going from Rank 8 to 5. Getting a turn two 8/8 Van Cleef however will win games.
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Hey, thx for the comment. I'm a person, who always loves playing fun decks and since you think the Dollmaster is worth the inclusion in this regard, then I will certainly craft him soon.
Y'Shaarj should be T1. He is a staple in Big Priest, Big Rogue, Darkest Hour Warlock, Big Warrior, Big Druid and Big Shaman.
Fixed. He was not promoted before because his general winrate has not been amazing, but he sees more play now than ever, especially because of Darkest Hour warlock.
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I think druid legendaries in wild are better especially Fandral, Malfurion, Hadronox and Floop. Even Quest and Tyrantus may be seen in the future. It's not the best class right now, but it's played (not only Token).
I played in wild last month and I haven't seen Mojomaster. Is she still Tier 1?
Are you planning to add all legendaries to Wild? I don't remember how you finally decided....
The lower tier legendaries which are equal or worse in Wild will not be added, it just clutters up the list. It is very long already, so I don't see a need to post that yes, Lorewalker Cho also sucks in Wild.
The plan for now is to list the Standard cards that are tier 1 and 2 in Wild and the cards which are placed higher in Wild because of special synergies.
I'll check the Druid legendaries, but I have not noticed major changes since the nerfs in tier lists or ingame. Zihi might be worse, will check too.
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Blastmaster boom will be tier N in few months.
Druid now has Vargoth + hecklebot + Oaken summons in wild, which is OP and makes everything that competes with it not worth looking into. Of course, Fandral and Stalladris with Jades is FUN but not as powerful as the above combo unless you're in a mirror. IMO, druid got better this expansion because it's one of the few things that has a chance vs a Big archetype highroll, which are much more popular these days. That said, it didn't really get good enough to deserve a bump up on its wild cards
Just to be clear, I haven't had great success with a deck like that in standard. I know Firebat created one dubbed "Hakkar warlock" on day 1 of the expansion but has since declared it less than competitive once the meta got itself together
However, I believe I have enough experience with the concept to say dollmaster would belong this theoretical deck if it did exist (with support from later sets perhaps?). In other words, you probably don't want to craft him if you're planning to play in standard only unless you really don't mind losing
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and tell you, that I don't mind playing in wild. When RR launched, the standard meta became kinda dull for me, so I wanted to try out something different in the eternal format and I had a blast. If RoS causes the same experience for me, I will move to wild again (maybe just to reach r5 and to goof around from there onwards). I read your previous comments, so I'm not blindly taking your advice. I still haven't crafted him yet. Today I opened Commander Rhyssa from a pack, so I will try to open more, until I get a desired legendary. Hopefully I will open Fel Lord Betrug, so that I can craft Dorian imediatelly afterwards. I will craft both of them, if this isn't the case.
Again, thx for your comments. Please, don't worry about my dust investments in niche legendaries. Sometimes I ask for people's advice, when I'm not sure how satisfied I will be with the fun factor. I remember asking the same question for Chameleos and people told me, that the meme factor was worth it. I crafted it and I don't regret it. It's really funny, when I manage to surprise my opponents my their strong cards. So yeah.
Petition to move Archivist Elysiana to Tier 1, as it is becoming more of a mandatory inclusion in control decks, specifically because you pretty much lose the mirror if you don't have it.
Also, how do people feel about Heistbaron Togwaggle? Still Tier 2? Worth the dust? It seems fun and I haven't really crafted many "fun" cards this expansion yet.
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If control decks do better she will be promoted, but the winrates are not quite there...
Heistbaron Togwaggle is a great card and fun to play as a last push for Lackey Rogue. Still tier 2, but I am sure some owners considers him Tier 1...
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control warrior is an utter machine now though? I don't play the deck neither so I'm not trying to big it up, neither. It has so many answers and the deck just seems completely organic in being a fatigue deck.
(the taunts that are like dirty rat, then they use that spell version of dirty rat for instance. these 2 cards can really hurt me as a control shaman. waste my copy of brew or play elysiana and I can't win any more. I know this is kinda niche though as I'm playing a tier 4 deck, but control warrior is tier 1 I'm pretty sure now)
I have a feeling after this tournament, you're going to see a lot more control warriors.
Archivist Elysiana is the embodiment of the prisonner's dilemna for control decks in hearthstone :
If nobody plays her, control does better against any archetype except other control decks., as a result it's in the best intrest of the control player community to not play her.
However, if a control player "betray" (it's just a reference, it's not really betrayal) the others and decides to play her, he'll get a net advantage over the other control players, which means better winrate.
However, as the card is completely useless in any other match-up, if every control player plays Elysiana, control will perform overall a lot worse, and the advantage they would gain is lost. However they still have to pick archivist Elysiana, because if they don't, they'll still lose to every other control player.
I agree it's a Tier 1 Card, unfortunately. Really stupid design decision IMO.
I love that adorable fatty. Playable in almost every rogue list with 3 free card slots for 2 EVIL Miscreant and Heistbaron Togwaggle. Great flexibility, good value, lots of fun.
And sometimes, you will get your double Deathwing on Turn 6 with Preparation into Zarog's Crown and that satisfying insta-concede :D
Someone was mentioning that Druid & vargoth & oaken summons etc. are op
=> i don't really play druid, so i can't tell, but someone who did hit #1 said he tried hecklebot a lot, also the 2/6 taunt that is a 4/6 taunt if alone and the known 4 mana 3/6 taunt: of these 3 taunts, hecklebot was performing notably the worst. in the end he also did cut the 4/6 from his jade deck.
(he, however, agrees that vargoth is a *very* powerful addition to jade druid)
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Yogg-Saron challenge:
Whenever you encounter a Yogg Saron player - concede in honor and send a friend request. It takes balls to play a card that usually results in your own death. :D
I'm a proud owner of shaman quest and i'm considering crafting Scargil, got almost all murlocs except Old Murk-Eye (DE him looong time ago, still regret) and Finja, the Flying Star
what other legendary cards would be considered in murloc shaman deck? Hagatha obviously, if needed i think my collection is public
I wouldn't say that Hagatha is obvious.... Sure she can generate a lot of value, but it's quite a grasp. You lose a lot of tempo and basically give up on ever establishing a board again. So basically you hope that she gives you spells that can go face. in wild, however, most control decks should not have trouble to outvalue the value gain that hagatha provides and stabilize....
Cross-server challenge-a-friend quest trading:
If you play primarily on NA, but also on EU, then maybe you are interested in cross-server trading? Whenever I get the 80g quest on NA I would love to give it away and get it on EU in return. If you'd like a long-lasting trade routine, drop me a message here on hearthpwn!
Yogg-Saron challenge:
Whenever you encounter a Yogg Saron player - concede in honor and send a friend request. It takes balls to play a card that usually results in your own death. :D
Archmage Vargoth should be at wild tier 1 special mentions
he is insane in big priest and jade druid
Just being in tier 1 in standard isn't good enough? You want him promoted to Tier 0? :P
Hey Guys, Im back to HS after a long break, I put some money in and made 3 decks... Zoo, Token Druid, and Tempo Rogue.
Now I am missing one legendary for each deck and I only have dust for one atm.
I need Cleef for rogue, Stalladris for Token and Soularium for zoo...
Stuck around r8 atm and want to get r5 fast...
What card of the 3 should I craft?
Leaning towards VanCleef but fear a nerf might be around the corner, and yes Its still a classic must have etc. But I want to climb Now.
thnx
PS. also, I feel warrior is totally broken atm, no decent aggro, tempo beats it.
Sure druid seems to do fine on paper... but is performing rather poor atm in general I feel. U need to draw the nuts to win the match up. and u loose allot to other decks.
Van Cleef IMO. Neither Stalladris nor Soularium are really all that necessary in their respective decks, especially going from Rank 8 to 5. Getting a turn two 8/8 Van Cleef however will win games.
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