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Can the following text be changed from

Malfurion the Pestilent - Staple any druid deck. 

to

Malfurion the Pestilent - Staple any druid deck except taunt druid

because they dont want the beast/scarab from witching hour. If see some play him when deck was new but generally they dont want it unless your using it as an tech card that you cant play in control match ups.

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Can the following text be changed from

Malfurion the Pestilent - Staple any druid deck. 

to

Malfurion the Pestilent - Staple any druid deck except taunt druid

because they dont want the beast/scarab from witching hour. If see some play him when deck was new but generally they dont want it unless your using it as an tech card that you cant play in control match ups.

 I agree with your statement but newer players might not exactly know what "taunt druid" is and hadronox should be mentioned.

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Can the following text be changed from

Malfurion the Pestilent - Staple any druid deck. 

to

Malfurion the Pestilent - Staple any druid deck except taunt druid

because they dont want the beast/scarab from witching hour. If see some play him when deck was new but generally they dont want it unless your using it as an tech card that you cant play in control match ups.

 Makes sense, thanks!

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Also, these cards belong in tier 5 performance wise, but remain in 4 for future potential. If anyone think they are safe DEs, I am ready to knock them down!
Open the Waygate, Thrall, Deathseer, Dragon Soul, Face Collector.

Open the Waygate and Thrall, Deathseer have seen play in the past, so that means they could be viable again in the future, with the right new cards.

Every attempt I've seen at using Dragon Soul failed. There are synergies with cards like Lyra the Sunshard, Radiant Elemental, Gilded Gargoyle, but it still rarely works. If there is some extremely easy cheap spell generation in a future set, there is a remote possibility that it could become playable, but I don't have much hope for it left.

Face Collector is OK in Burgle Rogue: about half the minions it creates will be from other classes and compared to Pick Pocket the 2/2 bodies are often worth the 1 extra mana per iteration, since you'll often not have enough hand space for 4 or 5 generated cards anyway. Also minions are safer when combined with Tess: spells will have their targets chosen randomly, while minions are played without their battlecries. The eternal problem with Burgle Rogue though is that it drops in power a lot when playing against another Rogue, so it could only become a meta deck if no other Rogue decks are doing well.

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Quote from SlydE >>

Also, these cards belong in tier 5 performance wise, but remain in 4 for future potential. If anyone think they are safe DEs, I am ready to knock them down!
Open the Waygate, Thrall, Deathseer, Dragon Soul, Face Collector.

Open the Waygate and Thrall, Deathseer have seen play in the past, so that means they could be viable again in the future, with the right new cards.

Every attempt I've seen at using Dragon Soul failed. There are synergies with cards like Lyra the Sunshard, Radiant Elemental, Gilded Gargoyle, but it still rarely works. If there is some extremely easy cheap spell generation in a future set, there is a remote possibility that it could become playable, but I don't have much hope for it left.

Face Collector is OK in Burgle Rogue: about half the minions it creates will be from other classes and compared to Pick Pocket the 2/2 bodies are often worth the 1 extra mana per iteration, since you'll often not have enough hand space for 4 or 5 generated cards anyway. Also minions are safer when combined with Tess: spells will have their targets chosen randomly, while minions are played without their battlecries. The eternal problem with Burgle Rogue though is that it drops in power a lot when playing against another Rogue, so it could only become a meta deck if no other Rogue decks are doing well.

I don't think Burgle rogue will be competetive before it gets cards like super strong synergy cards like Drakonid Operative would have been. The quailty of the stolen cards is far too inconsistant.

Open the Waygate is tumbling towards trash tier, and should have been there already if you look at winrates. It is not needed in wild, as Emperor Thaurissan enables the exodia combo easier, and no Ice Block makes it a weak archetype in standard.

Master Oakheart is most definitely not a staple in Taunt Druid. If anything it runs smoother without him. 

Master Oakhart is a definitely a staple in Taunt Druid... You won't find a pro list without it... sure you can cut it.. you can cut any card from any deck, but the consistency and power level is going to go way down

Please get rid of those abysmal poems and replace them with something that actually clarifies the parameters of the tiers

genn should be tier 2 imo only deck that uses it even shaman after the nerfs and jungle giants should be tier 3 after the changes

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Please get rid of those abysmal poems and replace them with something that actually clarifies the parameters of the tiers

 They are clearly listed as staples, tech, playable, niche, and garbage right next to the tier numbers. I don't know if you want an equation or something that delineates exactly how tiers are seperated, because that doesn't exist. The list is subjective and evolving from community consensus based on the aforementioend labels.

The poems are fun and whimsical, don't be a downer. 

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I don't think Burgle rogue will be competetive before it gets cards like super strong synergy cards like Drakonid Operative would have been. The quailty of the stolen cards is far too inconsistant.

Even low quality stolen cards still fuel Spectral Cutlass, which is what keeps you alive and can eventually even become a source of face damage. Hagatha also produces spells of inconsistent value, but because she produces so many, it doesn't really matter that not every spell is good.

I play Burgle Rogue in Wild sometimes and while it's certainly not a top tier deck, it isn't destroyed by meta decks either. The step from "not terrible" to "great" can be only a few cards, for example Demon Warlock was in the "not terrible" category during the Frozen Throne era. Ironically, Burgle Rogue in Wild doesn't even run the original Burgle card: the fact that Blink Fox comes with a body more than makes up for it stealing one less card.

Since Spectral Cutlass is so important, weapon synergies could also boost Burgle Rogue, but if any good weapon synergies are introduced this year, Kingsbane would become insane, which in turn would suppress Burgle Rogue.

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genn should be tier 2 imo only deck that uses it even shaman after the nerfs and jungle giants should be tier 3 after the changes

The strength of Even shaman, that he sees some play in Warrior, Rogue and Paladin along with good future potential is enough to keep him in tier 1 for now. Jungle Giants is bumped down, along with some other cards, thanks.

Also, nobody seems to play wild, it is not easy to make sensible updates for that section, unfortunately.

Can we bump King Krush to Tier 1 ? Kathrena Winterwisp is Tier 1 thanks to Recruit Hunter where King Krush is a staple, and he's a classic legendary so he's a safer craft than Kathrena.

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Can we bump King Krush to Tier 1 ? Kathrena Winterwisp is Tier 1 thanks to Recruit Hunter where King Krush is a staple, and he's a classic legendary so he's a safer craft than Kathrena.

I almost can't believe this is even discussed! I feel pretty confident that those 2 cards depend on eachother to the point that they should not be in different tiers.

The big question is if Cubelock and Recruit hunter are indeed tier 1 decks. I do not think there is a clear answer, but I will look into it!

I would add theese cards to theese sections

T1

Y'Shaarj, Rage Unbound (big priest is t1)

Barnes (big priest is t1)

King Togwaggle

Reno Jackson (reno decks are tier1&2 after the nerfs)

Azalina Soulthief

Aviana

Kazakus

Emperor Thaurissan

T2

Kun the Forgotten King (jade druids don't use him anymore,togwaggle druid combo is doable without him)

Kingsbane

Raza the Chained

I find it a little odd that dragoncaller Alanna is tier two but sindragosa is tier three. Sindragosa provides value and water elemental generation, while Alanna is fingers-crossed late game win condition that you wouldn't need against aggro because it's too slow and you would have already stabilized if you can afford to play it, and useless against control decks since they almost certainly have removal for it by that late stage of the game.

I propose that Sindragosa be bumped to tier two OR Alanna be demoted to tier three OR both. It feels wrong seeing Sindragosa in the same tier as Black Knight, which, although is an evergreen tech, is not seen anywhere now whereas sindragosa is in at least half of BSM decks.

Stats-wise, Alanna only sees 0.4% more play and has only a 0.2% higher winrate according to hsreplay right now. To me, this is marginal enough to mean they should be in the same tier. 

Thanks for all the feedback! There will be updates soon, but I have not had time to do the necessary research the last few days.

excellent guide!

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I would add theese cards to theese sections

T1

Y'Shaarj, Rage Unbound (big priest is t1)

Barnes (big priest is t1)

King Togwaggle

I find it a little odd that dragoncaller Alanna is tier two but sindragosa is tier three. Sindragosa provides value and water elemental generation, while Alanna is fingers-crossed late game win condition that you wouldn't need against aggro because it's too slow and you would have already stabilized if you can afford to play it, and useless against control decks since they almost certainly have removal for it by that late stage of the game.

I propose that Sindragosa be bumped to tier two OR Alanna be demoted to tier three OR both. It feels wrong seeing Sindragosa in the same tier as Black Knight, which, although is an evergreen tech, is not seen anywhere now whereas sindragosa is in at least half of BSM decks.

Stats-wise, Alanna only sees 0.4% more play and has only a 0.2% higher winrate according to hsreplay right now. To me, this is marginal enough to mean they should be in the same tier. 

Sindragosa is promoted to Tier 2 from 3.

excellent guide!

Thanks a lot, many people have contributed!