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Yes Undertaker was nerfed and Jade Idol wasn’t nerfed because Team 5 is arrogant..right.

Or maybe because Undertaker was far, far stronger than Jade Idol ever was. Undertaker could win turn 3 and do it quite consistently.

Dude, do you realise Blizzard nerfed many cards much more less problematic than Jade Idol? They don't want to nerf it because they don't want to admit their terrible mistake, that is all.

Do you have a link with a proof? Or a source?

Or is it just a guess?

As you can guess I do not agree. Jade Idol isn’t really a problem compared to 5 mana Sylvanas, pre-Nerf Undertaker or 4 mana Leeroy.

Is there something wrong with me? I looked over all of the poll options and I don't hate any of those cards. They've never been scary, and I don't understand why anyone else hates or is bothered by these cards.

I'm really not joking. I don't get it.

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NOW IF I HAD TO MENTION A CARD I FUCKING HATE IT'S POLYMORPH. AT LEAST HEX GIVES ME A TAUNT MINION.

So few votes for dr.Boom. maybe because current active players doesn't know/remember that frustration on turn 7...?

I don't actually hate any of these cards, and it really surprises me that Jade Idol has so many votes - I have never found playing against it to be annoying. Some choices for the poll seem really out of place compared to the rest - Fandral Staghelm, Vilespine Slayer, Kazakus - and I feel like there's some really obvious choices that are missing - Grim Patron, Fiery War Axe and Unstable Portal, off the top of my head.

That said, if I had to pick one, I'd say Reno Jackson. Not because of the gameplay or anything - I loved Reno decks, never got what all the cries for nerfs were about - but because whenever we had to upload decks to the site for tournaments, Reno decks were the fucking worst. Especially if the decklist was from Twitter and in Korean, so you had to go by the little slivers of card art. Deck codes were a godsend.

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NOW IF I HAD TO MENTION A CARD I FUCKING HATE IT'S POLYMORPH. AT LEAST HEX GIVES ME A TAUNT MINION.

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Do you have a link with a proof? Or a source?

 

Do YOU? 

How about a fresh, steamy, right-off-the-oven new Naga Sea Witch?

Just saying, because LOT of people in wild hate this new change. It ruins the format, and essentially becomes a race of "Who gets the 5 drop with 20 other 10 drops in hand first".

P.s. for the uninitiated, they made it so discounts apply afterwards, so if you have a Molten Giant costing 20 (meaning you took 5 damage) and played Naga Sea Witch, the game would first change the Molten Giant's cost to 5, AND THEN account for the 5 damage you took, making for a 0 cost 8/8 and a 5/5 on turn 5. Possibly before, if you take into account the Jade Druid, ramping and Innervate vomit someone seems to be talking about here... (hint hint wink wink Velrun)

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Do you have a link with a proof? Or a source?

 

Do YOU? 

 I do not need a proof to prove his statement is incorrect :) That would be reverse burden of proof. Something we do not use it civilized countries.

If that was the case then I could call you murderer and it would be your job to prove me wrong. That’s not how it works.

He was 100 % sure that the reason why Jade Idol was not banned was because Team 5 do not want to admit a mistake. I asked him if he can show us a proof or if it is just his opinion.

I gave a proof as to why Jade Idol was never the problem Undertaker was: It was not nerfed. Undertaker was.

The mage quest card, hate cards where my win or loss is decided by the opponents RNG

Force of Nature would have to being there

Reno Jackson.

But only because Ice Block is Mage only.

To me, both are uninteractive cheats that should simply be removed from the game.

Notable mention to the whole *Jade mechanic*, silly STATUES as the signature feature for NATURE-based classes such as Shaman and Druid - forever in Wild...

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Do you have a link with a proof? Or a source?

 

Do YOU? 

 I do not need a proof to prove his statement is incorrect :) That would be reverse burden of proof. Something we do not use it civilized countries.

If that was the case then I could call you murderer and it would be your job to prove me wrong. That’s not how it works.

He was 100 % sure that the reason why Jade Idol was not banned was because Team 5 do not want to admit a mistake. I asked him if he can show us a proof or if it is just his opinion.

I gave a proof as to why Jade Idol was never the problem Undertaker was: It was not nerfed. Undertaker was.

 What does that mean? He's asking you for proof because you did. If you provided proof, then in turn he proved you wrong with his proof, that is not "reverse burden". IF you call him a murderer, if he asks you for proof he is asking for proof that he was in fact the murderer. He asked for proof that Jade Idol was never a problem, you are asking proof for the fact that Team 5 doesn't want to admit a mistake. They are both completely different points ; you're just trying to dodge his question. Additionally, Hex was never a problem. Nobody ever complained about it, yet it was nerfed, thus I just proved your statement wrong.

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Do you have a link with a proof? Or a source?

 

Do YOU? 

 I do not need a proof to prove his statement is incorrect :) That would be reverse burden of proof. Something we do not use it civilized countries.

If that was the case then I could call you murderer and it would be your job to prove me wrong. That’s not how it works.

He was 100 % sure that the reason why Jade Idol was not banned was because Team 5 do not want to admit a mistake. I asked him if he can show us a proof or if it is just his opinion.

I gave a proof as to why Jade Idol was never the problem Undertaker was: It was not nerfed. Undertaker was.

 How are you oblivious to the fact that Jade Idol ( and DK Anduin for that matter) prevent the viability of any traditional control deck? I mean, name one class that dares play a draw five, without expecting to end the game in the next few turns?  (rogue went nuts with Auctioneer and prep sprint because it either went full combo or full aggro). Jade Idol prevents fatiguing and keeps presenting threats! As an old school control Warrior player, that is horiffying! Not nerfing a card like this is clearly a mistake! The fact that it does not have the power level of Undertaker or Small Time, winning games by turn 4 is what keeps it safe from nerfhammer, but  that does not mean the card is not a huge problem for the game in general.

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So few votes for dr.Boom. maybe because current active players doesn't know/remember that frustration on turn 7...?

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Do you have a link with a proof? Or a source?

 

Do YOU? 

 I do not need a proof to prove his statement is incorrect :) That would be reverse burden of proof. Something we do not use it civilized countries.

If that was the case then I could call you murderer and it would be your job to prove me wrong. That’s not how it works.

He was 100 % sure that the reason why Jade Idol was not banned was because Team 5 do not want to admit a mistake. I asked him if he can show us a proof or if it is just his opinion.

I gave a proof as to why Jade Idol was never the problem Undertaker was: It was not nerfed. Undertaker was.

 What does that mean? He's asking you for proof because you did. If you provided proof, then in turn he proved you wrong with his proof, that is not "reverse burden". IF you call him a murderer, if he asks you for proof he is asking for proof that he was in fact the murderer. He asked for proof that Jade Idol was never a problem, you are asking proof for the fact that Team 5 doesn't want to admit a mistake. They are both completely different points ; you're just trying to dodge his question. Additionally, Hex was never a problem. Nobody ever complained about it, yet it was nerfed, thus I just proved your statement wrong.

And I gave him a proof: Jade Idol had the opportunity and time to be nerfed but it was not a problem. Thus it didn’t get nerfed.

Then, much later, he stated that the only reason why Jade Idol didn’t get nerfed was because Team 5 was arrogant and didn’t want to admit a mistake. I asked him for proof and I am still waiting. Right now it is only an opinion.

For some reason I can't force myself to click on any option. Ice Block? Yeah, I hate mages sooo much. But can they really play without it? Guess not. Patches? This guy gave me lots of headache. I remember when every decent deck except Hard Control ran him and I didn't want to craft that ugly card and still won't (through I love Pirate Rogue). I hate him a little bit. I guess, in the end I'll go with Jade Idol. This stupid mechanic really damaged Hearthstone as a game and Druid as a class.

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Let’s agree to disagree there. You are with the majority of this poll and I am with Blizzard. We are allowed to have different opinions as long as we admit they are only opinions.

Of course we are allowed to have different opinions. That doesn`t mean that facts dont exist though, nor that since we have diferent opinions we cannot talk for a topic using actual arguments. That`s the point of thread, is`n it? Dialogue?