He gives so many different cards, it's unlikely you get the card you want in the given situation. For me he was not good in over 80 games now... I won the odd game here and there because of one card he gave me but in general he wasn't really overwhelming. Ysera is more consistent and not so easy to remove.
I can second that. Almost always I'm dissappointed by the card I get.
Definitely not, he is not essential in any deck so far. He is more like nice and fun to play than really good. 90% of time he will only give you one card, and 90% of the time that card will be really bad. Yeah RNG. :) I am even starting to see Black Knights in many decks as techs against him. You can get exactly same result with that 4 mana dog or whatever that is.
It's just a better ysera with taunt. Has better spells and it's cheaper to play.
it's certainly not just a "better" ysera. the ysera cards have almost no downsides and generally find more use than the lich king cards. also, ysera has a lot more health and is therefore much more likely to survive a turn and she is a dragon.
the lich king is a good card and overall probably a save craft if you want to play a lot of different classes. but the dk cards are not reliable and often not usable in particular situations. so expect the lich king to end up as "just" an 8/8 taunt, otherwise you might be disappointed.
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There is still no card wich can be called as "must have". In my opinion he is probably one of better cards of the expansion, but people tend to overrate him. He is not as good as most poeple think he is. I have him and i play him in most of my decks bc he fits my style of decks. But i have to mention that i have't crafted him. Instaed, i have pulled him from packs. If that was not the case i wouldn't craft him yet (same as any other card) bc it is not the smartest thing to do if u have limited dust resaurces as u probably do (if u had large pull of dust u wouldn't ask this kind of question). So my advice is to wait a little until we know how the meta will look like.
He is not the better Ysera. Actually, he is probably worse Ysera. His cards are generaly bad and the fact he has taunt is not always good. I play The Black Knight bc of him and many other people do the same thing as I could see. He is easyer to be killed than Ysera wich is obiously bad. Only thing that is really better then Ysera is mana cost. Difference between 8 and 9 mana is not as small as it may looks like.
I don't think so, seems weaker than Ysera in value matchups (he is much easier to remove, especially for druid and priest) doesn't swing many games versus aggro, T8 is too late. You can get those epic pulls I guess, but hasn't happened much to me.
He's not for playing against aggro - he's too slow for that. He's for playing against control. (Although Ramp Druid might be able to get him out early enough to help against aggro.)
Much like Elise it's a nice card to have in a control deck if you need some late game value or if you need more taunts / late game value then you should stick the litch king in your deck. Don't get disocraged by people running the black knight just because a tech card is run dose not Mean you have to stop running the card, case and point Dr.boom is also a good late game value card and people ran bgh to counter the dr yet people kept playing Dr.boom because sometimes your opponent doesn't draw the bgh or black knight.
I dont understand all the hate for this card. It is a good card for a deck thathas Barnes in it.
We could argue if it is better than Rag.. but here we also have to argue about what the card gives you, since we have 2 Rag cards (halll of fame and pala version) and those do very different things. And in case of the Lichking it is also does very different things if you compare it to others cards, because even it it eats a removal... it still took the removal away that the enemy then doesnt have anymore for something else. It is a card that needs to fit into the deck and since we dont know what we will get in the future it is hard to tell, but in the worst care.. you still get a DK card that is hard to read for your enemy.
It is a solid card. I only see it as a must have in that summon/resurrect priest currently. Outside of that it is a nice addition to almost any control deck, not always an auto-include though. So with that he is at the very least nowhere near the power level of Dr.7. I wouldn't say he is a must have at all. Not amazing, just solid.
An 8/8 Taunt for 8 is solid value and useful in any deck. But I play a lot of Quest mage in wild and shook my head at the DK cards. They're powerful, but a lot of times you can get two of them and not end up playing either one.
So I think Lich King is a solid value big-taunt card, with DK as a bonus. But you can't count on the DK cards for any kind of synergies or even as a card draw. They're just a sometimes-maybe bonus.
I dont understand all the hate for this card. It is a good card for a deck thathas Barnes in it.
We could argue if it is better than Rag.. but here we also have to argue about what the card gives you, since we have 2 Rag cards (halll of fame and pala version) and those do very different things. And in case of the Lichking it is also does very different things if you compare it to others cards, because even it it eats a removal... it still took the removal away that the enemy then doesnt have anymore for something else. It is a card that needs to fit into the deck and since we dont know what we will get in the future it is hard to tell, but in the worst care.. you still get a DK card that is hard to read for your enemy.
I don't see any hate. Most people are just telling, that he is good, but not as good as most people think he is. Especially the cards he generates are mediocre at best (with few exceptions) and unlike Ysera's cards, they will very rarely win you the game.
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Today I met a lot of people who used lich king on turn8, so Im interesting, is it necessary to craft Arthas (Bolvar)?
We don't know yet. I'd wait till the meta settles because now everyone is experimenting with everything.
Also, Bolvar is not Arthas, they're two different characters.
Valar Morghulis
If the meta stays this slow after 2 weeks, yes Lich King is an essential card. If you have the dust, can go ahead and craft him!
Less of a 'must-have' and more of a 'fits nicely into quite a few control decks so worth having if that's your playstyle'.
Seductive Nerd
Definitely not, he is not essential in any deck so far. He is more like nice and fun to play than really good. 90% of time he will only give you one card, and 90% of the time that card will be really bad. Yeah RNG. :) I am even starting to see Black Knights in many decks as techs against him. You can get exactly same result with that 4 mana dog or whatever that is.
the lich king is a good card and overall probably a save craft if you want to play a lot of different classes. but the dk cards are not reliable and often not usable in particular situations. so expect the lich king to end up as "just" an 8/8 taunt, otherwise you might be disappointed.
"Knowledge, or verbal facility, is no proof that you know what you're talking about." -Terence Mckenna
There is still no card wich can be called as "must have". In my opinion he is probably one of better cards of the expansion, but people tend to overrate him. He is not as good as most poeple think he is. I have him and i play him in most of my decks bc he fits my style of decks. But i have to mention that i have't crafted him. Instaed, i have pulled him from packs. If that was not the case i wouldn't craft him yet (same as any other card) bc it is not the smartest thing to do if u have limited dust resaurces as u probably do (if u had large pull of dust u wouldn't ask this kind of question). So my advice is to wait a little until we know how the meta will look like.
Im seeing tech for this card now, BGH and Black Knight are back in the meta.
would recomment him for new players because he is one of the best neutral minions, but he isnt a dr 8.
He is not the better Ysera. Actually, he is probably worse Ysera. His cards are generaly bad and the fact he has taunt is not always good. I play The Black Knight bc of him and many other people do the same thing as I could see. He is easyer to be killed than Ysera wich is obiously bad. Only thing that is really better then Ysera is mana cost. Difference between 8 and 9 mana is not as small as it may looks like.
I don't think so, seems weaker than Ysera in value matchups (he is much easier to remove, especially for druid and priest) doesn't swing many games versus aggro, T8 is too late. You can get those epic pulls I guess, but hasn't happened much to me.
He seems decent, I would say.
He's not for playing against aggro - he's too slow for that. He's for playing against control. (Although Ramp Druid might be able to get him out early enough to help against aggro.)
Much like Elise it's a nice card to have in a control deck if you need some late game value or if you need more taunts / late game value then you should stick the litch king in your deck. Don't get disocraged by people running the black knight just because a tech card is run dose not Mean you have to stop running the card, case and point Dr.boom is also a good late game value card and people ran bgh to counter the dr yet people kept playing Dr.boom because sometimes your opponent doesn't draw the bgh or black knight.
I dont understand all the hate for this card. It is a good card for a deck thathas Barnes in it.
We could argue if it is better than Rag.. but here we also have to argue about what the card gives you, since we have 2 Rag cards (halll of fame and pala version) and those do very different things. And in case of the Lichking it is also does very different things if you compare it to others cards, because even it it eats a removal... it still took the removal away that the enemy then doesnt have anymore for something else. It is a card that needs to fit into the deck and since we dont know what we will get in the future it is hard to tell, but in the worst care.. you still get a DK card that is hard to read for your enemy.
It is a solid card. I only see it as a must have in that summon/resurrect priest currently. Outside of that it is a nice addition to almost any control deck, not always an auto-include though. So with that he is at the very least nowhere near the power level of Dr.7. I wouldn't say he is a must have at all. Not amazing, just solid.
An 8/8 Taunt for 8 is solid value and useful in any deck. But I play a lot of Quest mage in wild and shook my head at the DK cards. They're powerful, but a lot of times you can get two of them and not end up playing either one.
So I think Lich King is a solid value big-taunt card, with DK as a bonus. But you can't count on the DK cards for any kind of synergies or even as a card draw. They're just a sometimes-maybe bonus.