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Quote from Darknesspyre >>

And because the quest kills control decks, then why not nerf Jade Druid which is also not a top meta deck but also destroys control decks?

stop quote me now. you are annoying. if you still did not realize it yet: the meta will never slow down - does not matter if there is q rogue or not - there will always be aggro on ladder so stop dreaming noob.

Quote from robert_fanr >>

The whiners gor their way again . What a surprise !

Shame on you , all the people who care only about your own fun (that has to last like half an hour) while any fun combo must be destroyed. 

Why adapt to meta when you can simply call Blizzard and delete the opponent's fun from the game .

One day many people will realise how stupid this is and quit for good .

I'm not even a quest player but I enjoyed smacking their face with murlocs and pirates and now there will come those stupid concede decks again with only heals and board clears and I'm gonna be sad .

Most people don't want / can't afford to send half an hour on a single card game .

Quote from Yuusukeseru >>

You are biased af with your opinion. Deck that is the most common one on ladder (was) and gets heavily countered by aggro decks obviously results in more people queing aggro decks to win against this deck. We dont need statistics or data reports to prove this fact. Its common sense and perfectly logical. Just because we've had shitty aggro metas in the past does not mean that needs to be the case always. With QR nerf, the meta will slow down a bit and thats only healthy for the game.

Thank you for proofing me that, if guys has no arguments they ignore facts like statistics, but insulting people with other opinions. Thank you for ignoring me, because it is pointless to talk with ignorants. Have a nice day, kiddo and grow up :D

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Quote from Dalinos >>

FINALLY! And the nerf isn't big enough. 5 minions, make em 4/4's. Now THAT would make it balanced.

Before you start saying "L2P against the deck", I've been Legend, and regulary do get Legend whenever I set my sights on it. Problem? I enjoy slow decks. And guess what this deck does?

Just as Blizz said, it DESTROYED control decks in TWO ways. 1) by its own nature, 2) by promoting so many aggro decks the game became unplayable. I should not be queueing up for an afternoon of HS and face 80% aggro and the rest Q rogue. A "Balanced and Diverse meta" is NOT the Meta where you queue up against - Pirate Warrior, token druid, token shaman, murloc paladin, hunter or whatever cancerous bullshit people decide to play. This is not diversity. This is simply aggro. Wanna know what a "Balanced and Diverse meta" is? 25% control, 25% midrange, 25% aggro 25% combo. THAT, is balanced. Seeing 10 different aggro decks is NOT balanced OR Diverse. They all try to finish the game by turn 5. Does it really matter if it's Pirates, murlocs, or Bloodlusted Totems that are killing you? Ofc not. It's the same shit with a different skin. 

Guess what Q rogue did? It was a popular deck which auto-lost to aggro. What does that mean for aggro players? WIN/WIN/WIN! They either get to queue up against a deck they automatically win against, (1st win) or they queue up in a mirror match (2nd win, fast match), or they manage to queue up to the random control player who they also destroy (3rd win). 

What does this do to people like me, who enjoy slower decks? It fucking depressed me, that's what it did. I have never been more pissed off at HS since I started playing when it was released. Auto-concede against rogue as soon as they play the Q (miracle is fine, at least it takes some brains) simply cause I refused to put myself through that ordeal. 

I miss the days when Chillwind Yeti was the best thing you could play on turn 4. 

 You actually confirmed, that QR is not the problem, but aggro decks which destroy QR and control at the same time (and combo).

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Quote from FaceStab >>

Here's the part that bothers me... I get the whole set to 5/5... but when you play spells to lower attack or polymorph and stuff like that, it should cancel the effect and not make a god damn 5/5 taunt from Hex. FIX IT!

 That makes no sense. It says STRAIGHT UP "for the remainder of the game, your minions are 5/5." - This means that even a 10/10 minion becomes a weaker 5/5, so stop using spells to counter them when you know they don't bloody work.

Quote from Yuusukeseru >>

Well, i don't think that questrogue dissappear from the meta, because this change literally change nothing against their control-matchups. Control decks will still be un-favoured like against Jdruid, but Aggro decks and Midrange decks got an Free-win against QR.

Based on my ladder experience on several accounts in the 15-20 range, the problem appears to be the sheer number of new players who gravitated to this deck.  A lot of beginners do well with it because it is possibly the most forgiving deck as far as misplays go.  Don't know how to trade?  Does tempo confuse you? Not sure what removal the opponent may run?  No problem, just complete the quest and you're golden.   Well, what happens when they print a 3/3 version of Swamp King Dred and shitcan the build next expansion?  Can you imagine when someone posts that thread here 'What can I play now that QR is dead?'   Blizz will lose a lot of players if there is suddenly no deck they can run and then they get savaged when asking for help

TLDR: QR was like crack for new players but will ultimately fail them as the meta shifts.

Agreed. This is also one of the reasons I always imagined Blizz nerfing the quest eventually.

I was pretty sure they didn't want players to be: hmmm  QR seems pretty strong. What can I tech to beat that? Nothing? I have to switch to aggro?

 I'm sure this  didn't went in hand with their gamephilosphy. Cause that's for some ppl the most fun ,to adjust a deck to make it better or to counter/control specific stuff.

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You may not like him and you can call him whatever you want, but that doesn't change the fact that his point is correct.

You got me wrong. My problem with his message was that he stated "QR pushes player for more aggressive decks" and this message is just wrong. People play aggrodecks to counter questrogue, yeah, but they don't play only aggro for this reason and that's why wanted statistics that he proofs his statement. People never play one deck for only one reason, some guys do, but not the majority.

If a deck is prevalent in the meta, people are going to start to counter it. In this case, aggro counters quest rogue. I.e. if quest rogue is good and widely played, it increases the amount of aggro.

You're right, but this happens all the time: in Un'goro, before Un'goro, after Un'goro. But that doesn't mean that QR push players to play more Aggro.

You don't need statistics to back up the above, it's how the meta naturally works. That being said, quest rogue vanishing (oh yes, I did) from the ladder doesn't necessarily mean that there's going to be less aggro. Another deck could fill its place in the meta, which in this case would probably be jade druid.

Well, i don't think that questrogue dissappear from the meta, because this change literally change nothing against their control-matchups. Control decks will still be un-favoured like against Jdruid, but Aggro decks and Midrange decks got an Free-win against QR.

Weak nerf for a weak deck. Too bad, because I was enjoying having 70%+ win rate against it. Oh well.

Im kinda curious if someone will make it work after the nerf with a more traditional rogue approach. I dont think a deck that isnt going all in on the low mana high value minion build (like quest rogue is right now) is going to be competitive but i will be more than happy if someone proves me wrong in the upcoming weeks.

Also why are so many people just throwing shit at each other in this thread? Be it competitive or casual players everyone will kinda benefit from the change as the meta will unevitably change. Isnt that good for both kinds of players? For the hardcore crowd because now they can prove that they are superior players by approaching the altered meta succesfully first and making the right meta calls. For the casual crowd cause one of the decks that sucked the fun out of the game for them is gone. 

I for one welcome our new jade druid overlords o/

@calli1982, I would love to see this card continue to be viable (maybe Wild has a shot), but for any slower type of this deck, it just doesn't work. I've tried quite a bit. Because the bounce cards are sooooo bad, aggro is even more devastating against the deck. You are basically using mana to REMOVE a minion from your board which you need to kill the aggro minions... Any aggro or midrange decks slaughter a slower Quest Rogue. Plus the fact that Rogue has zero heal, gg....

People will still play it, but I hope I never see it again. As dumb as Pirate Warriors.

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@calli1982, I would love to see this card continue to be viable (maybe Wild has a shot), but for any slower type of this deck, it just doesn't work. I've tried quite a bit. Because the bounce cards are sooooo bad aggro is even more devastating against the deck. You are basically using mana to REMOVE a minion from your board which you need to kill the aggro minions... Any aggro or midrange decks slaughter a slower Quest Rogue. Plus the fact that Rogue has zero heal, gg....

I wonder WHY THEY DON'T NERF PİRATE WARRİOR SERİOUSLY WTF.  Nobody was complaining about pirate warrior since release of ungoro was because it was able to balance meta against quest rogue but there is no excuse left anymore I think pirate warrior is still cancer of this meta and it should be removed from the game last 10 month Pirate warrior was always tier 1 deck obviously it has to be nerfed.

@calli1982, I think people overlooked the charge aspect of the deck initially. Once that was discovered, well, we know the rest. But QR does struggle against aggro badly and I really didn't have an issue with it. Even my control pally deck crushed it. It was certainly an annoying deck to play against however. I think the real reason for the nerf has to do with the new expansion. They probably made a new card that would make QR too OP or something.

I'm actually sorry to see this nerf because I would have loved to try to make a control QR deck possible. But with 5 bounces..... No chance....

Quote from Wellingt0n >>

So what i am saying is:  the card beeing weak in terms of winrate doesn't mean it didn't have to be nerfed in my opinion...

Quote from Nimehte >>

I wonder WHY THEY DON'T NERF PİRATE WARRİOR SERİOUSLY WTF.  Nobody was complaining about pirate warrior since release of ungoro was because it was able to balance meta against quest rogue but there is no excuse left anymore I think pirate warrior is still cancer of this meta and it should be removed from the game last 10 month Pirate warrior was always tier 1 deck obviously it has to be nerfed.

Quote from GrandPatzer>>

 Kibler never cries or begs for anything. Him bringing up this issue in hes calm and respectful way is exactly the same as saying "nerf quest rogue". Just because he does not say it like that, does not mean he dont mean it. He also said on stream few days before the nerf announcement that QR is too strong. Its obvious he wanted the quest to be nerfed, and the nerf it received is one of hes own suggestions.

People debate whether the quest gets nerfed because of it being too OP or because of the negative game experience/frustration it provides currently. The real reason is combination of these two factors.

Quest rogue, being the most toxic mechanic ever created should not be a competitive deck in the first place. It should be a tier-6 meme deck, just like exodia mage is.

Currently, its one of the strongest and fastest decks to climb with while also being the the most annoying deck to play against since you feel nothing you do matters. It's also defining the meta right now, people are forced to play aggro or aggro counters. The 50% winrate "proof" that QR is balanced is just bullshit, the statistics are influenced by the rise of aggro decks in meta which was caused by?? Surprise surprise, quest rogue being too dominant on ladder=QR being OP.

All the above reasons combined leave blizzard with only one option, nerfing the quest. People who claim the nerf is not needed or it's deleting entire archetype from the game (which is completely justified) are just <upset> because the deck they had success with is getting the balancing it clearly needed.

Good job from team 5, for once.