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The latest DataReaper report indicated there was a large spike in Quest Rogue in Legend to counter all the greedy decks, so it would appear that you are seeing this, too. That being said, I think people are reacting to greedy decks by playing Quest Rogue rather than that being what they climbed to legend with. The bottleneck to legend is flooded with Token Shaman and Token Druid last I heard.
S39 Legend - Quest Rogue, S38 Legend - Murloc Paladin, S37 Legend - Miracle Rogue, S36 Top 200 Legend - Aggro Shaman, S35 - Finished Rank 51 Legend - Aggro Shaman, S34 Legend - Aggro Shaman
Proven how? Hasn't it always been the nature of the ladder meta that when a deck archetype becomes popular people attempt to counter it?
When it comes to ladder some people just want to climb as fast as possible, so aggro will always be around.
I just drop this here..I have put an Lorewalker Cho into my token shaman.. mainly as a mage counter and because I think he is kinda fun. But when I stumbled across the last two quest rogues it hit me..he is kind of an hilarious counter to the quest.
Last one was just one turn away from playing it..I fill up my board with the 5/5 taunt and tokens and drop down cho..gg :D
Brilliant use of Cho. Got any replays?
I've been wanting to make a fun Crystal Rogue with Cho where the whole point was to give a copy of the Core to your opponent but Cho does have practical potential as a quest counter.
That Cho idea is brilliant :)
That was a fairly interesting discussion by the way. For anyone else interested in reading that you can follow the link here to find it (link opens new window).
So I've been playing an odd quest rogue deck lately. I took out the charge minions and swapped in a bunch of elementals, including Servant of Kalimos. To be clear, the deck is a lot worse like this. Just had a game end when a Kazakus-Elemental mage couldn't fight through the 5/15 Orzuk I'd played when I broke the Ice Block, but I first completed the quest going into his turn 7 with a Bloodmage on the board, so he was able to start off on the right foot, and it was a long slog. Some games will just go nuts, I'll get the quest on turn 4 or whatnot, and it's a stomp. But it feels a lot more fair in general. When you don't have the insane burst potential of charge-bounce-charge, it's kind of a fun puzzle deck to play with.
That said, I'm totally in favor of altering The Caverns Below. It isn't necessarily that the deck is too strong in general, but that it's too strong in certain matchups, and a quest-complete always plays out the same way. Standard Cheap-and-Charge quest rogue has weak matchups with pretty much any aggro deck, and you can just get blown out very easily. However, this is matched by the polar opposite against a lot of slower decks, where your gameplan can't really be stopped. Meanwhile, there's the added weakness where all minions just become 5/5, so it doesn't really matter what they started as. There's no point in playing anything other than the cheapest and smallest minions, since everything becomes the same.
My fix: Cross Nether Portal with Addled Grizzly. Instead of a spell you can cheapen with Preparation, your reward would be a token you place on the board that creates an ongoing effect and fills a minion slot. Right there, this is two benefits. When you can prep out the quest reward, that's huge tempo and a problem. Having space only for 6 minions isn't as much of a drawback, but the deck can flood the board. That's the Nether Portal side. The Addled Grizzly side would change things from a straight "this is now a 5/5" into a buff applied on playing a minion, I'd think, say, +2/+2. This would weaken the charge burst potential by 20% to 40%, which is huge, on top of not immediately buffing minions already on the board. Throwing 3/3 and 4/3 chargers is a lot more manageable. However, something positive the change does is that it'd make some minions a lot stronger. Say you did run a full elemental package with Tol'Vir Stoneshaper and Tar Creeper--they'd now be 5/7 taunts, a stronger stat line. So there would now be an incentive to run an actual curve, with medium or even larger minions, since starting size would matter. Everyone's favorite (eyeroll) Stonehill Defender might make the cut. Meanwhile, you'd be able to silence or polymorph the buff away. All-in-all, such a rework might be too much of a nerf. You might still need to allow Preparation help, but if you aren't immediately buffing your on-board minions, that's probably fine.
Dirty Rat, Potion of Polymorph and Snipe all help. Even Ancestor's Call in Wild would work.
Priest has a few answers for after they complete the quest, from a Pint-Size Potion and Shadow Word: Horror combo, to Dragonfire Potion and Lightbomb also in Wild.
I imagine Brawl could at least delay your death a turn or two as Warrior, and a really good control warrior deck might be able to consistently have a fair game against Quest Rouge, but I don't have a clue.
Maybe Reno-lock could stand a chance, but I doubt it. anyways, you could put as many of these tech cards I mentioned above in a deck and start a Quest Rogue resistance!
Here's a replay I just had against a Quest Rogue with a Hunter deck: https://hsreplay.net/replay/HNMP2G2rEnAN249ULNih3N
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I played QR for a week straight until I realized how fucking stupid it was. I don't see the joy in it nor do I think Blizzard tested a thing before they released the expansion.
What someone thinks is boring someone else might think is fun, it is altogether possible that these people see some potential in Crystal Rogue (otherwise why play it?). If you don't like it, no one is forcing you to play it, but it isn't all that unreasonable to think that people reacting to meta shifts might turn to it if the conditions were right and they had the quest, which is really the only important piece to the deck. This reminds me of discussions over why people play Aggro. Some people hate it with a passion, while other people like it. Some people like long games and other people just want to climb or win quickly. It all comes down to individual preference.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
I couldn't agree more.
The only time I win is by a lucky bad draw or mulligan on their part.
Otherwise it's concede by turn 2 so I'm not wasting my time with this bullshit.
Trump is the ABSOLUTE DISAAAASTERRRR...
there needs to be a card like this: 4 mana 4/3 "Battlecry: Reset your opponent's quest progress if it hasn't been completed."
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My thoughts on the impact on the play-ability of the Crystal Rogue archetype after either change/nerf:
Option 1 as an adjustment has potential, as it gives Crystal Rogue a reason to run heavier cards such as Doppelgangster (three 7/7's for 5 mana) or Giants of any kind (Cavernlock with Molten Giant and taunts op!), but it won't change the nature of the match up much for their opponents because the best response to the threat of such value is still to go face because the longer the match goes, the more insane their minions could get. This highlights some of the concepts discussed in the article in my signature titled "Who is the Beatdown?" which loosely states that the deck with less value needs to play more aggressively in order to win before their opponent's value overcomes them.
Option 2 is just a nerf, so I don't have much to say here other than that I don't know how much this would actually slow the deck down. If it does slow it down, this makes the match up versus aggressive decks even more one-sided towards aggro and could conceivably help Control decks, though if it is a question of value vs aggression, Control decks that can't go aggressive will probably still struggle (see point above). Completion by turn 4 isn't as common as turns 5, 6, or 7 though if you look at the data collected by hsreplays.org. In the link below, look at the Quest Completion chart labeled 'Popularity' to see what I'm referring to: https://hsreplay.net/cards/41222/the-caverns-below/#tab=quest-completion