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Lol why is this still a topic? I wish I would be able to feed on Quest rogue a bit while laddering but instead I'm sitting in a corner crying while hitting my fifth freeze mage in a row. 

Well Freeze Mage has a pretty decent MU against Quest Rogue so if you want to "feed" on them you should give it a try.... And this is still a thing cause Freeze Mage loses to Eater of Secrets while there's not an actual counter to Quest Rogue beside playing an Aggro Deck.... 

 My point was rather that there are almost no quest rogues on ladder anymore. I was quite happy with my druid last month with the occasional quest rogue encounters. Now all you face is freeze mage and shaman. With the former pissing me off when you see them fishing for answers and always random finding something.

Heck I did encounter 3 cuthun warrior this month and only 1 quest rouge. (Rank 8 ATM if that is relevant)

 

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Lol why is this still a topic? I wish I would be able to feed on Quest rogue a bit while laddering but instead I'm sitting in a corner crying while hitting my fifth freeze mage in a row. 

Well Freeze Mage has a pretty decent MU against Quest Rogue so if you want to "feed" on them you should give it a try.... And this is still a thing cause Freeze Mage loses to Eater of Secrets while there's not an actual counter to Quest Rogue beside playing an Aggro Deck.... 

 My point was rather that there are almost no quest rogues on ladder anymore. I was quite happy with my druid last month with the occasional quest rogue encounters. Now all you face is freeze mage and shaman. With the former pissing me off when you see them fishing for answers and always random finding something.

Heck I did encounter 3 cuthun warrior this month and only 1 quest rouge. (Rank 8 ATM if that is relevant)

 

 This is BS.  I've been playing goofy decks around ranks 18-20, and in 50 or so games, nearly 1/4 have been against quest rogue.  I've roped every one.

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Not everyone is thinking in terms of "this deck has an X% wr vs Quest Rogue"

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Ya know what, the fact that this has over 1000 posts means its even more polarizing than pre-nerf Yogg-Saron... 

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 Lol how is this bs when I point out that I'm currently rank 8 and haven't seen more then one my way down (started 16 this season). Your say you play goofy decks 20-18 doesn't really invalidate my point here

I even had the tech for it as Priest (turn 3 discover Counterspell).  Not to worry, because he completed the quest on turn 4 and had Prep, so I never got a chance to play Counterspell.

If anything, Prep shouldn't affect the quest's cost. 

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I even had the tech for it as Priest (turn 3 discover Counterspell).  Not to worry, because he completed the quest on turn 4 and had Prep, so I never got a chance to play Counterspell.

If anything, Prep shouldn't affect the quest's cost. 

I think the only way to Counter The Caverns Below is to have a Kabal Lackey and Counterspell in hand on turn one. And hope that you go first of course. 

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I even had the tech for it as Priest (turn 3 discover Counterspell).  Not to worry, because he completed the quest on turn 4 and had Prep, so I never got a chance to play Counterspell.

If anything, Prep shouldn't affect the quest's cost. 

I think the only way to Counter The Caverns Below is to have a Kabal Lackey and Counterspell in hand on turn one. And hope that you go first of course. 

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Ya know what, the fact that this has over 1000 posts means its even more polarizing than pre-nerf Yogg-Saron...

Which as I just mentioned, was nerfed, even though he could lose the game.

Which means I hope this gets hit with the nerf hammer soon so that we can all move on.

If you think Yogg was only nerfed because people complained allot, you need to take a look at some tournaments from the Yogg era. It'll become very clear there was an actual problem with the card, not just player frustration wise.

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Lol why is this still a topic? I wish I would be able to feed on Quest rogue a bit while laddering but instead I'm sitting in a corner crying while hitting my fifth freeze mage in a row. 

Well Freeze Mage has a pretty decent MU against Quest Rogue so if you want to "feed" on them you should give it a try.... And this is still a thing cause Freeze Mage loses to Eater of Secrets while there's not an actual counter to Quest Rogue beside playing an Aggro Deck.... 

 My point was rather that there are almost no quest rogues on ladder anymore. I was quite happy with my druid last month with the occasional quest rogue encounters. Now all you face is freeze mage and shaman. With the former pissing me off when you see them fishing for answers and always random finding something.

Heck I did encounter 3 cuthun warrior this month and only 1 quest rouge. (Rank 8 ATM if that is relevant)

 

 This is BS.  I've been playing goofy decks around ranks 18-20, and in 50 or so games, nearly 1/4 have been against quest rogue.  I've roped every one.

 Lol how is this bs when I point out that I'm currently rank 8 and haven't seen more then one my way down (started 16 this season). Your say you play goofy decks 20-18 doesn't really invalidate my point here

right from the start of the expansion i got quest rogues everywhere but since i was playing pirate warrior i won most of the games and didnt seem that hard cuz they died before they could finish the quest, now they put taunts in the deck which can make it a little bit more tricky but yeah if you see alot of them just play pirate warrior or something that has alot of early pressure

The problem with the card/deck is twofold:

1) It is unbeatable by anyone piloting with half a brain and anywhere near "Not the worst draw possible" versus any deck that isn't pure aggro. You can clear their board 3 times with Dragonfire Potion or whatever and they'll still kill you off all the cantrips and card generation abilities the deck has. It's just too easy to reload and then kill you from basically an empty board state.

2) There is no interacting with this deck. You essentially have to go face and hope you kill them before they can quest then overwhelm you.

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Lol why is this still a topic? I wish I would be able to feed on Quest rogue a bit while laddering but instead I'm sitting in a corner crying while hitting my fifth freeze mage in a row. 

Well Freeze Mage has a pretty decent MU against Quest Rogue so if you want to "feed" on them you should give it a try.... And this is still a thing cause Freeze Mage loses to Eater of Secrets while there's not an actual counter to Quest Rogue beside playing an Aggro Deck.... 

 My point was rather that there are almost no quest rogues on ladder anymore. I was quite happy with my druid last month with the occasional quest rogue encounters. Now all you face is freeze mage and shaman. With the former pissing me off when you see them fishing for answers and always random finding something.

Heck I did encounter 3 cuthun warrior this month and only 1 quest rouge. (Rank 8 ATM if that is relevant)

 

 This is BS.  I've been playing goofy decks around ranks 18-20, and in 50 or so games, nearly 1/4 have been against quest rogue.  I've roped every one.

 Lol how is this bs when I point out that I'm currently rank 8 and haven't seen more then one my way down (started 16 this season). Your say you play goofy decks 20-18 doesn't really invalidate my point here

 I said that nearly 1/4 (12/50) of MY games were against Quest Rogue, which is evidence that your statement that "there are almost no quest rogues on ladder anymore" is BS.  If you don't want to take my word for it, just look at VS reports.  Other than the first week of ungoro, where quest rogue peaked at 12% or so, the deck has held steady at between 7-9% play (the 5th-6th most played deck).  So, I'm not sure what you mean when you say "there are almost no quest rogues on ladder anymore," since there have been about the same number for the last 6 weeks.

It is such a bad sign when I'm proud that I avoided playing a good card that I would probably enjoy for the last 3 weeks because I know my opponents will not have fun playing against me.  Blizzard, c'mon man!

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It is such a bad sign when I'm proud that I avoided playing a good card that I would probably enjoy for the last 3 weeks because I know my opponents will not have fun playing against me.  Blizzard, c'mon man!

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I don't mind losing against it if it's played properly. 

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 Do you not see the problem with Quest Rogue? Its not because of the win rate, like everyone else has established 1000 times. Open your eyes, its not fun to play/play against and it needs to be changed.

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Lol why is this still a topic? I wish I would be able to feed on Quest rogue a bit while laddering but instead I'm sitting in a corner crying while hitting my fifth freeze mage in a row. 

Well Freeze Mage has a pretty decent MU against Quest Rogue so if you want to "feed" on them you should give it a try.... And this is still a thing cause Freeze Mage loses to Eater of Secrets while there's not an actual counter to Quest Rogue beside playing an Aggro Deck.... 

 My point was rather that there are almost no quest rogues on ladder anymore. I was quite happy with my druid last month with the occasional quest rogue encounters. Now all you face is freeze mage and shaman. With the former pissing me off when you see them fishing for answers and always random finding something.

Heck I did encounter 3 cuthun warrior this month and only 1 quest rouge. (Rank 8 ATM if that is relevant)

 

 This is BS.  I've been playing goofy decks around ranks 18-20, and in 50 or so games, nearly 1/4 have been against quest rogue.  I've roped every one.

 Lol how is this bs when I point out that I'm currently rank 8 and haven't seen more then one my way down (started 16 this season). Your say you play goofy decks 20-18 doesn't really invalidate my point here

 I said that nearly 1/4 (12/50) of MY games were against Quest Rogue, which is evidence that your statement that "there are almost no quest rogues on ladder anymore" is BS.  If you don't want to take my word for it, just look at VS reports.  Other than the first week of ungoro, where quest rogue peaked at 12% or so, the deck has held steady at between 7-9% play (the 5th-6th most played deck).  So, I'm not sure what you mean when you say "there are almost no quest rogues on ladder anymore," since there have been about the same number for the last 6 weeks.

 

So 7-9% equals 7-9 quest rogue decks in about 100 games. Or possibly 1 around 11 games... which pretty much explains why I didn't run into any lately. If we now take your statement into account 1/4 around rank 20-18 which equals 25% on this ranks or 25 in around 100 matches, well then there has to be an significant decrease in  the lower digits (rank 15-legend) to get to those 7-9% as a final number, which would drop the encounter rate even more in those ranks. That explain it even better why I didn't meet any of them recently..

One a sidenote: do you have the percentages for freeze mages? 

Yeah i found it.. wasn't even aware that there are 3 different types since most matches feel the same for me: secrets discover a spell freeze board blizzards doomsayer alexstraza etc. might just be that all the types just have access to the same spells due to glyp and babbling and thus feel rather similar when encountering them. 

Nevertheless I just started noting down what I face on my way from 8-5 currently rank 7 faced 2 aggro druids 2 silence priests 1 paladin and 1 secret mage ( this one was the first I could identify as such due to no freeze and tons of secrets)

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 Do you not see the problem with Quest Rogue? Its not because of the win rate, like everyone else has established 1000 times. Open your eyes, its not fun to play/play against and it needs to be changed.

There are barely over 1000 posts in this thread and I doubt everyone who posted here is in agreement(???). I respect your right to to say that this card is not fun to play against, but I disagree that "I don't find ____ fun to play against"  is reason enough alone to warrant a change.

 

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When did I say I was talking about this thread? I merely said  like everyone else has established 1000 times. Don't jump to conclusions.

Not every person in HS is in this forum complaining about Quest Rogue here,

and if "Auto-Pilot deck with no form of exsistence other than to annoy the hell out of everyone" doesn't cut it then how about acknowledging the other things that a lot of people here have been saying. Like promoting aggro decks and not following the intended design of Quests in the first place.

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For the record, I'd be perfectly fine with changes that made it more fun for both parties and I've acknowledged plenty of things about this deck in my previous posts. I just don't expect Blizzard to make changes just because there are people saying they don't have fun against it. Customer feedback is important, another thing I've previously acknowledged, but there are always going to be cards people hate and have divided opinions on and I just don't see Blizzard taking any action without more reasons to do so.