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Quote from Fakerino >>

Here is the data reaper analysis of matchups. Look as the Crystal core rogue is entirely green except for matchups against token druid, pirate warrior and other aggressive decks. You can only beat Rogue by going face and killing them by turn 5. It is as easy as that.

http://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-44/

Let’s talk about Rogue, and start with the most talked about deck in the game, which is the quest driven, Crystal Core Rogue. This archetype’s matchup spread looks like a board of checkers. It counters any control deck that doesn’t have the capability to pressure it in the early game, but gets utterly destroyed by aggressive decks that do just that, as well as several of the Mage archetypes that carry burn damage and Ice Block. The fact its matchup spread is so polarizing means it will always be relevant to some degree, especially in the tournament scene, and at high legends ranks where counter-queuing is common. However, the deck that defined the Meta in the early days of Un’Goro, is not dominating it. It has glaring weaknesses that can be exploited.

Quote from Szkeptik >>

it's insane that they reliably have the quest done on turn 4...

Quote from Splatacleze >>

All I can say is: Dirty Rat FTW! 

Quote from guttil >>

quest rouge is just like jade druid except it gets rolling by turn 4 or 5. So thank you quest rouge for forcing the meta into aggro or nothing.

Me, you have forced me to play silence priest, so don't complain when you get hit with a 48 attack razor leaf on turn 4.

This comparison has probably been made a lot, but this deck really reminds me of Grim Patron Warrior.

Quote from Grimlock01 >>

This comparison has probably been made a lot, but this deck really reminds me of Grim Patron Warrior.

There is really nothing more great in this game than defeating Quest Rogues 

I rly wonder what they do with the quest .

It can be softcountered by dirty rat sure, aggro bumps on it .

BUT it's a really toxic mechanic wich is also design limitating. If they don't nerf it I wonder how the next expansion's one drops look like.(maybe they don't print any Kappa).

Been playing since Beta.  Pirate Warrior was bad.  Quest Rogue is worse.  I'm uninstalling.  Sad I put so much time into this game. If Blizz just would take advantage that their CCG is digital they would have less people quit.  Brode showed how easy it was to tweek stats in excel.  They need to do monthly tweeks.  Let the community help.  Stop removing cards from the game by 'nerfing' them into stupidity.  Buff cards nobody plays.  Why is this such a hard concept?  

I'm convinced they have no reasons for these things and that because they are a business they have corporate logic.  

I'm voting with my dollar, since that's the only thing they seem to understand.

inb4 L2P kbye noob

freeze mage destroys this deck

Updating a previous post.

For anyone interested in stats, VS, HSReplays and Metastats provide data sets which are updated every few hours - I won't bother linking to each site.

As of this morning, Quest Rogue has the 21st best win-rate on ladder from Ranks 5 through Legend. From Ranks 20 through 6, the deck bounces between the bottom of Tier 2 and the bottom of Tier 3. Miracle Rogue outperforms the deck considerably (often with a +2% win-rate) at nearly every rung on the ladder. While the deck might be frustrating to play against, claims regarding the power level of the Rogue quest appear to be losing traction.

The problem is how one sided the games are either your deck stomps and its 7 minutes of boring going through the motions or you get stomped by it again going through the motions on the chance they draw nothing. 

This deck isnt the only issue but is the main issue I have with hearthstone in how polarized the match-ups are. The only 50-50 is the mirror and a 70-30 match-up which is basically a hard counter in MTG is the closest you will find in hearthstone.

Quote from OpBix >>

Sadly, in this case, Rogue quest is Paper as well as Scissors. To beat it you need to specifically craft a deck for beating the rogue, and no one else. How is that fair to anyone?

Quote from Haussenfuss >>

While the deck might be frustrating to play against, claims regarding the power level of the Rogue quest appear to be losing traction.

Quote from hillandder >>

Quote from OpBix >>

Sadly, in this case, Rogue quest is Paper as well as Scissors. To beat it you need to specifically craft a deck for beating the rogue, and no one else. How is that fair to anyone?

 Aggro decks beat quest rogue (favored vs any rogue) and have chance vs other matchs.

Quote from Masterfuljk23 >>

I change my stance on the whole quest rogue please play it people because it is so easy to beat you get a free turn 1 and then whilst there bouncing like a clown at a kids party my board is full of beasts ready to feast on the face. Heaven 

So yesterday I played against a rouge who got the quest on turn one using wisps, 2 shadow steps and that ferryman card. After that he played the quest the next turn because he just happened to top deck preparation I lost on turn 4. After this I played many games and counted 3 things every time I played this deck

1 what turn the quest was completed

2 what turn the quest was played

3 what turn I lost the game

the average turn for the quest completion was 2.1 so 2 

the average quest played turn was 4.3, although most were on turn 3 there were a bunch of outliers 

and the average turn for losing the game was 5.5

I had around a 9% win rate and played with many of the most popular current decks and pirate warrior. None f them really seemed to be a counter what so ever. This quest just needs to be nerfed into the ground immediately 

i won agaist a quest rogue after 7 turns he got the reward,with kripp control pally

Quote from xX_Thegnomeking_Xx >>

the average turn for the quest completion was 2.1 so 2 

the average quest played turn was 4.3

Quest rogue is so damned wrong. Why the hell blizzard didn't make something like "play 6 cards from a different class". 4 minions take really nothing, or at least play 4 minions that cost 3 or more. Fuck this game. So, just because this awful card exist, everyone has ro play aggro, so that now we have pirate warriorwarrior,huntard, druidard,zoolock, all aiming to kill you by turn 7. Control works vs control, that's it. Those are the only games i enjoy

If they ever do more Quests, a Burgle style quest would be nice for Rogue, though they kinda used that theme already for Mage's quest.

I can't wait for the day when rogue can actually beat aggro decks without playing an aggro deck.

Quote from xX_Thegnomeking_Xx >>

ompletion was 2.1 so 2 

the average quest played turn was 4.3, although most were on turn 3 there were a bunch of outliers 

 

While I think the quest is a tad too strong atm. I wouldn't like to see Blizzard butcher a unique mechanic to the ground once again like they did with Warsong Commander and Molten Giant.

Haven't looked through the whole thread to see if these have been suggested, but I think either increasing the quest requirement to 5 or 6 minions or making the quest card an unkillable minion (like the Netherportal) so it couldn't be prepped, would be a decent nerf.

I think it's simple 

make it 5 minions 

and make it so that it can't be prepped

still a good deck, just not auto concede anymore