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I've seen several posters make the argument that, because many decks have an approx 50/50 winrate, that in itself is a sign of a healthy meta.
That is of course not the whole story. Rock/paper/scissors also has a 50/50 winrate but no-one looks at that and thinks it's a great game. Similarly for flipping coins. QR especially turns a lot of its games into precisely such a coin flip. At turn 1. How anyone can think that's acceptable or a good gaming experience is beyond me.
If (and I don't have the statistics, but if) behind a 50/50 winrate lies an 80/20 winrate against half the decks and a 20/80 against the other, I don't think that is a very good meta, despite the end result of 50/50.
I really wonder Quest Rogue's winrate after the quest completed. If it isn't more than 75%, I will quit the game. There is no way to stop it other than a fast kill.
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The first has a match up chart with percentages that show up if you hover the squares. The legend charts are near the bottom with the all ranks shown first. There are some 70/30 and 30/70 match ups across the board but I think that might be why the meta is still so fluid. Various archetypes have viable counters currently in play so the meta hasn't solidified around one or two dominant decks. That would be my interpretation at least.
I think that is a fairly accurate representation. I personally have started playing Miracle but I think that was more due to the fact that I want to play something different now due to the play experience no longer being new.
5 days in now and still haven't played quest rogue. Do I really want to make the game less fun for other people just to climb the ladder a little more quickly? Why can't I just enjoy my cards and have to consider my impact on the ladder? Don't I have the right since I've had to play against the same mind-numbing deck so many times? It is a no-win situation. I wish I had pulled another legendary instead.
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A non-legendary reactive card that behaved like Swamp King Dred but re-actively only attacks Charge minions when they are played is a possibility. Most Charge minions don't have that high of a health total, though Crystal Rogue Charge minions would be the general exception.
The face race isn't interesting for either player, something I've said earlier in this thread myself. While some would prefer to see the card go away entirely, I would prefer to see changes that allowed for different game plans for both sides, as there isn't a whole lot of room on either side to do something other than go face. I'm interesting in talking about those kind of changes. If you're not, then feel free to ignore what I have to say.
Wingdude, just a simple question: if it is so OP, why this season we see so few QR if compared to last season? Maybe it's because people tech their decks or change class to play around QR? But isn't it the spirit of a ladder to accept a meta and play around it?
I don't find it interesting to have 1 kind of deck (be it control or ago etc) and complain that another deck is OP because I insist playing the kind of deck that's just wrong for that
I've watched the video, fund it interesting, but I miss the all point of this debate. QR will die by itself in a couple of months without nerf and will last less than pirate warrior.
ready to bet?
Because good game design is not based on Paper, Scissors, Rock and a deck that has overwhelmingly polarized matchups vs anything slower than Pirates or Murlocs isn't good for the game, the only reason people aren't playing it as much now as they were last season is because they realized it was weak vs aggro and that makes it difficult to climb with. A deck that is weak vs aggro but preys on control is just doing the metagame a disservice because it discourages control players from keeping aggro in check so that people can play other fair decks like Hunter. The game does not need "answers" to control, because control decks answer each other by gambling on how much value they can play and midrange can just play a top heavy deck and give control fits because they outcurve their removal.
Also I think a lot of people forget that aggro is really linear right now, QR can just run 2 Crabs of the anti Pirate or Murloc variety and have a pretty good chance in those match ups as well. Average win rate isn't a metric worth discussing because most decks fall in the 47 to 53% category, it's the win rate disperssion that you really have to loot at to understand if the deck is problematic. Furthermore I would take that bet on QR being around for awhile, try playing Wild ladder at legend rank and you'll see quite a few people playing it vs MUCH better control decks than anything you can build in Standard.
You can't have one deck that slaughters an entire archetype across multiple classes, when you create stupid shit like QR and Jade Druid which you can face roll vs control then you're going to hear people bitch to no end because you literally shit on every one who is trying to deal with aggro cancer and play the highest skill cap decks in the game. And I'm sorry, but if I have to play Pirate Warrior because of an abundance of QR then I'd rather just turn off Hearthstone and take my chess board to the park. I refuse to have to adapt to a game design mistake by joining the ranks of shit throwing monkeys.
I'd say this expansion has been pretty good despite the controversy around Crystal Rogue. There also is a decline in the numbers of that deck being played.