Hearthpwn

Roque quest is STUPID. I Just keep repeating how amazing the other player is, stop playing and just wait until the very end of my time every time. the turn they can kill me, I just concede. It's real shit.

The only nerf I think it needs is that the effect should be on the minion, not global.  that is, I'd change the text to:

"Whenever you summon a minion, it becomes 5/5."

this allows tokens to keep getting the 5/5, allows the bounce/Charge combos, but it adds some options for removal and silence.  As it stands, almost all removal has no effect.  Which means you have to either tech for this deck (at the expense of basically everything else) or plan to lose to it in a hopeless and frustrating fashion.

That said, this deck seems to be a plague only in around the 14-20 range.  Last month I rarely saw it in the 10-12 range (that's as far as I got) and I'm at 13 now and rarely see it.  

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The only nerf I think it needs is that the effect should be on the minion, not global.  that is, I'd change the text to:

"Whenever you summon a minion, it becomes 5/5."

this allows tokens to keep getting the 5/5, allows the bounce/Charge combos, but it adds some options for removal and silence.  As it stands, almost all removal has no effect.  Which means you have to either tech for this deck (at the expense of basically everything else) or plan to lose to it in a hopeless and frustrating fashion.

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@WraithM; oh, it definitely is kind of rough to run a slow version of Quest Rogue... but personally I always liked Control Rogue. If you're in Wild you can run a few of the bounces (you wouldn't want to go all-in on them) and Healbots for stall, and then just focus on removal and generating elementals. It should still be able to bully Control lists and stave off Aggro, but I could be completely wrong and you might just have to invest super heavily into the Quest to get anywhere consistently. The faster version is obviously just going to be straight up better, but a slow version just sounds sweet to me.

Blizzard wants Hearthstone to be fun and interactive, so they take any stealth generating cards out of standard. Then they give you an insane reward for bouncing minions back, which means your opponent can't attack them anyway. I've tried using snipe and dirty rat against quest rogue, and neither work. There's just no way to prevent your opponent from completing the quest, which I guess is true of all quests. Still, I don't think they'll fix it until everyone plays it at a major tournament, like what happened with Yogg and Small-Time Buccaneer. If there comes a day when rogues are instantly banned by opponents, I think there would be a change.

If you say this deck should be nerfed, I agree with you.  If you don't, then I don't, and probably are disappointed in your life choices as well.

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what makes quest rogue powerful is not the quest ..its the quest working in conjunction with the early aggressive board state ''pirate package'' so you preserve the board state in the early game and just let ur opponent deal with ur minions while ur boucning urs ..thats the main problem imo ...  i ran the deck without pirates ..its really inconsistent and its not that op ..still might be wrong    

gang up, a bounce card and patches in wild is epic.

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Blizzard wants Hearthstone to be fun and interactive, so they take any stealth generating cards out of standard. Then they give you an insane reward for bouncing minions back, which means your opponent can't attack them anyway. I've tried using snipe and dirty rat against quest rogue, and neither work. There's just no way to prevent your opponent from completing the quest, which I guess is true of all quests. Still, I don't think they'll fix it until everyone plays it at a major tournament, like what happened with Yogg and Small-Time Buccaneer. If there comes a day when rogues are instantly banned by opponents, I think there would be a change.

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 I do play in Wild now and I've also been interested in a late game Rogue. I've tried mixing the Quest with the Brann Bronzebeard < Shadowcaster < Shadowcaster combo with the idea of using Hemet, Jungle Hunter after I draw Brann to skip straight to my end game cards (hopefully with the quest complete already). I didn't have much success but the combos were fun, even when I lost.

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 Just for the record: i meant the actual portal that goes on the board, not the spell that summons it. Try to understand my point instead of pointing at irrelevant details.

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gang up, a bounce card and patches in wild is epic.

 Also inefficient.

• Playing Patches the Pirate < Gang Up < Bounce < Patches the Pirate is a 3 to 5 mana 25 damage burst OTK finisher if you remember to go face with Patches before you bounce him back to your hand.
• Quest decks playing the Water Package murlocs can use Gang Up to reload the deck with more murlocs. Charge is strong but getting out several copies of Murloc Warleader is a strong play, too. It might also be possible to have Finja, the Flying Star as your only murloc and use Gang Up on him before he makes his first kill to start flooding the board with more Finjas.
• Gang Up on Gadgetzan Ferryman or Youthful Brewmaster is also another option and might be more efficient than copying your four-of target. Copying your four-of target requires you to draw at least three of them (including the duplicate of a card pair if it is not a singleton), but if you copyed your bounce tech instead this gives you more bounce you can draw into and gives you a secondary way to complete the quest if you draw four of the same bounce card.
• Stealing copies of your opponent's minions sounds fun, but I would agree with you that this can be inefficient. I copied Kabal Courier once and probably lost because of it because it was a three cost card and I wanted the value from bouncing it, which was too slow. I may have also drawn a duff hand early on of individual bounce, Gang Up, and no targets, so I probably wasn't going to win that game anyway. Other times I have copied my opponent's Patches and one time I met a control Druid deck playing Goblin Sapper which I copied for a shot at playing 9/5's due to his large hand he was hanging onto. I was running Brann Bronzebeard Coldlight Oracle for the cycle/milling in my deck and recognized the possibility that he could also be a mill deck because he played Grove Tender after ramping for card draw. That was an epic game and is why I feel Wild is more fun.

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gang up, a bounce card and patches in wild is epic.

 Also inefficient.

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 The downside with Pirate warrior was that if you drew Patches, it was just a 1/1 with charge. Now Rogue runs Stonetusk Boar already, they almost WANT to draw Patches

It's not that good to draw patches for the Quest rogue. Ideally they don't use pirates until the quest is completed, and have a 5/5 deckhand pull a 5/5 patches from their deck. That's infinitely better than another stonetusk boar in hand.

I personally would like to see a simple change - all PLAYED minions become 5/5s. I think, while frustrating to play against, that Quest Rogue is mostly a balanced deck. It has good and bad matchups just like any other deck.

This allows things like Hex, Polymorph, Devolve, Silence (the mechanic), and Dirty Rat (played post-quest) to be great against them, while also making some interactions less confusing.

I'm split on the issue. On the one hand, if the criteria for a nerf is that a card is too powerful then I don't think the quest should be nerfed, as the requirements to completing the quest put you far behind in the early game (most of the time) in a meta that revolves around early pressure.

If, on the other hand, the criteria for a nerf is lack of interactivity, then I could see a reasonable argument for a nerf. That said, I have played with and against the deck a lot since release, and it can still lose the value game to some of the paladin and warrior lists around, in addition to struggling early game. It might be the case that it changes the way you need to play in a way that most people don't find fun though, so there's that to consider.

The biggest problem is probably that when laddering people don't like thinking of their deck in terms of matchups. "I have a 60/40 matchup against silence priest and a 30/70 matchup against quest rogue" kind of thinking. It seems like people prefer the idea of being 50/50 in every matchup, which I suppose is fine if that's what you want, but isn't typically how meta games in card games end up working out. Quest rogue is a deck that has very favored matchups and very unfavored matchups without much in the middle, so it feels overpowered or like you can't lose, depending.

Running into your bad matchup a bunch of times does hurt though. 

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I personally would like to see a simple change - all PLAYED minions become 5/5s. I think, while frustrating to play against, that Quest Rogue is mostly a balanced deck. It has good and bad matchups just like any other deck.

This allows things like Hex, Polymorph, Devolve, Silence (the mechanic), and Dirty Rat (played post-quest) to be great against them, while also making some interactions less confusing.

I don't think the card itself is op... Unless they draw the nuts trying to complete the Quest will make them fall behind on tempo and the Deck doesn't have comeback mechanisms outside of Vanish,so most of the times they'll lose hard to any kind of fast Deck (Pirates,Token Druid,Hunter)... The only problem I have with this Deck (setting aside the fact that imo it's awfully boring to play against) is those charge minions.... How exactly am I supposed to counter a 0/1 mana 5/5 hitting my face 3 times in a row? Just make it so that affected minions can't attack face the turn they are played and I'll be fine with it...  

I found that I lose most of the time when they have preparation, without prep I almost always win against Rouge. The closest comparison would probably be innervate from Druid, without those manacheating cards it's only a fair deck.

my only loss this week came against a triple Prep (two from a prepped Mimic Pod :D)