Is this a necro thread or something? 4th poll option reflects current state of the game.
People must be running out of things to ask for nerfs for. :P
I mean Yogg was used in how many decks for the Championships? And how many games did it actually swing? Compared to pre-nerf Yogg it was definitely neither as rampant or as effective, and so I don't really see a reason it needs another nerf at this point.
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What sucks about the un-nerf yogg and move to wild is that the players that don't have many wild cards and want to play him. For them its basically getting rid of him altogether.
You misunderstood Blizzard's statements on Yogg. They simply didn't want him dominating competitive play, because he's not a skill-testing card. The fact that he appears in a couple of tournament decks or occasionally on ladder is not in any way concerning. Which is why 92% of people in your poll think he's just fine the way he is.
What sucks about the un-nerf yogg and move to wild is that the players that don't have many wild cards and want to play him. For them its basically getting rid of him altogether.
Think of the noobs!!!
I think the main issue I have with moving him (unnerfed) to Wild is that they want to push Wild as a competitive format this year. If your competitive format has the old Yogg it's entirely possible the same thing happens that led to his ultimate demise and he becomes too competitively viable to just be a fun card. The current version of Yogg is completely playable still, it's just not competitive and that's where it probably should remain.
I'm cool with Handlock getting revived via un-nerfed Molten Giant, but stuff like Yogg/Warsong Commander/Blade Flurry are cards I think are better off in their current state just because I'd like to see Wild gain competitive legitimacy.
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Like many others, I would un-nerf the card and Hall Of Fame it, so that it doesn't continue to be a problem in comp play. It's just the kind of card that never should have been in standard in the first place, truth is there is no elegant way to nerf the card enough for it to not be a problem in standard.
Ok, after reading some of these comments, I can assume that a good chunk of you complaining about Yogg being in competitive play DON'T even watch high-level competitive esports tournaments like the Winter Championship and Winter Preliminaries (as the most recent competitive tournaments to happen this year). Because if you actually took the time to watch, you would know how many times Yogg has actually showed up in the competitive scene recently. I watched the EU, the NA and the Asia Winter Preliminaries, and I watched the Bahama's tournament too this past weekend. You know how many Yogg's showed up at the prelims? Absolutely NO ONE played or ran Yogg in those Prelim tournaments because the decks were either aggro, reno, or anti-aggro reno decks, or dragon priest. None of which Yogg can even remotely thrive in.
This idea that Yogg is this widely used competitive card because of his ability to swing a game or board clear with RNG needs to go away because as of right now, he's had 1 hand/deck list sighting and that was at the Bahama's and DocPwn (as far as I can remember) didn't even play Yogg. He's VERY meta dependent on being an option to be ran and the basic fear of it being EVERYWHERE right now is completely insane. It's like being scared you're gonna shit your pants if you wear any sort of white after Labor Day. I'm not saying it won't happen, but depending on a lot of factors that go into shitting your pants to begin with, you can see the terrible logical leap that has to be made to get to where I went.
Come Un'Goro time, it's going to REALLY depend on how the meta shapes up/out on if Yogg actually re-appears in the competitive meta scene. I'm hedging my bets that as of right now, he's gonna see play for something like Jade Druid and that's a stretch bet for that matter because of what has yet to be show for Druid as far as potential board clearing. Which is fine for him to have a home in Druid because Druid has problems with clearing the board anyway, especially in the Jade mirror, and now you have to pray to the Old Gods that Yogg will actively clear the board in your favor and not screw you or himself in the process. Which, when you look at him, is what he does NOW.
would love to see Yogg back to how it was before nerf!! I'd rather loose a game to full randomness and watch all the spell he cast than stop everything after killing itself. Makes me sad to waste 10 mana for only 2 or 3 spells, I used to love all these spells flying around the board ^^ Now you are just lucky if he survives! no fun anymore
I want him rebuffed and removed from ladder completely, as casual-only card. I loved his retarded randomness and tossing spells everywhere, now he gets silenced/killed after casting 3 spells, which is retarded and not fun at all.
C'mon, I like fireworks, why forbiding fireworks in clown-fiestas in casual only because "high level pro players" (lul) run him in "highly proffesional HS scene (with 4 same decks as in ladder, with only diffrence that they ban warrior each time. such variety, much skill, wow)
Why they can ban decks and we don't? That is bullshit, I will like very much if this option to ban a class in ladder and you never paired with it.
Please Blizzard, make this happen.
Okay, then it has to last 5 games and you have to pick a new class yourself every game too.
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No. Yogg is fine the way he is now
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What sucks about the un-nerf yogg and move to wild is that the players that don't have many wild cards and want to play him. For them its basically getting rid of him altogether.
Think of the noobs!!!
What the ... .Yea should be changed to : if he cast a spell against ur own minions stop casting .
Do it or do not , there is no try...
You misunderstood Blizzard's statements on Yogg. They simply didn't want him dominating competitive play, because he's not a skill-testing card. The fact that he appears in a couple of tournament decks or occasionally on ladder is not in any way concerning. Which is why 92% of people in your poll think he's just fine the way he is.
Articles I suggest every player reads to improve at the game;
MTG/Hearthstone biases to avoid
Reframing negative Hearthstone experiences to improve at the game
Who's the Beatdown?
Like many others, I would un-nerf the card and Hall Of Fame it, so that it doesn't continue to be a problem in comp play. It's just the kind of card that never should have been in standard in the first place, truth is there is no elegant way to nerf the card enough for it to not be a problem in standard.
Ok, after reading some of these comments, I can assume that a good chunk of you complaining about Yogg being in competitive play DON'T even watch high-level competitive esports tournaments like the Winter Championship and Winter Preliminaries (as the most recent competitive tournaments to happen this year). Because if you actually took the time to watch, you would know how many times Yogg has actually showed up in the competitive scene recently. I watched the EU, the NA and the Asia Winter Preliminaries, and I watched the Bahama's tournament too this past weekend. You know how many Yogg's showed up at the prelims? Absolutely NO ONE played or ran Yogg in those Prelim tournaments because the decks were either aggro, reno, or anti-aggro reno decks, or dragon priest. None of which Yogg can even remotely thrive in.
This idea that Yogg is this widely used competitive card because of his ability to swing a game or board clear with RNG needs to go away because as of right now, he's had 1 hand/deck list sighting and that was at the Bahama's and DocPwn (as far as I can remember) didn't even play Yogg. He's VERY meta dependent on being an option to be ran and the basic fear of it being EVERYWHERE right now is completely insane. It's like being scared you're gonna shit your pants if you wear any sort of white after Labor Day. I'm not saying it won't happen, but depending on a lot of factors that go into shitting your pants to begin with, you can see the terrible logical leap that has to be made to get to where I went.
Come Un'Goro time, it's going to REALLY depend on how the meta shapes up/out on if Yogg actually re-appears in the competitive meta scene. I'm hedging my bets that as of right now, he's gonna see play for something like Jade Druid and that's a stretch bet for that matter because of what has yet to be show for Druid as far as potential board clearing. Which is fine for him to have a home in Druid because Druid has problems with clearing the board anyway, especially in the Jade mirror, and now you have to pray to the Old Gods that Yogg will actively clear the board in your favor and not screw you or himself in the process. Which, when you look at him, is what he does NOW.
Just leave it or re-buff it, and nerf the actual problem cards, there are way worse offenders.
would love to see Yogg back to how it was before nerf!! I'd rather loose a game to full randomness and watch all the spell he cast than stop everything after killing itself. Makes me sad to waste 10 mana for only 2 or 3 spells, I used to love all these spells flying around the board ^^ Now you are just lucky if he survives! no fun anymore
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