It came to me recently after a match against another fellow Hearthstone player, that Edwin VanCleef just isn't viable. Too many times have I carefully planned out his summoning in which he ended up countered by either instantaneous death, or debuffed by cards such as Aldor Peacekeeper.
I know that Edwin VanCleef has superb potential, especially in a Miracle Rogue deck, but how does one ensure it's summoning for at least until it has served it's use for at least one turn?
Conceal is a great play following a largely buffed Questing Adventurer. the argument you are making is one that can be applied to any threat not just Edwin VanCleef. with this I'm set to disagree with you as Edwin VanCleef is a card that has won me many games due to my opponent not being able to answer it. so to say that its no longer viable isn't really accurate. what you should be trying to do is bait out such removals in advance of making those big plays.
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“In the midst of chaos, there is also opportunity” ― Sun Tzu
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Your opponent is forced to waste cards to remove a 3 mana minion, which is actually good. If he doesn't counter it, it's a big threat that will deal lots of damage. Or of course, as mentioned before, you could Conceal.
Rogue doesn't have many viable threats/wincond, but VanCleef is the best among those few. I think it is inappropriate to denounce VanCleef without a replacement card in mind (like Questing) and explanation why it is better than VC.
In hearthstone, you can't ensure anything unless it is for the obvious, as an example, you're on turn one with double coins in hand and Edwin. You play it and it ends up with a body of let's say..6/6, nobody will be able to kill it for at least one turn.
Edwin is a difficult card to play for the reasons you listed, and in HS you always have to take a risk, but the deal is, to reduce the chances of shit happening, as it is bound to happen eventually.
Example: Playing Edwin vs Priest when they didn't use Shadow word: Death is too risky, so you're asking for the worst outcome, in such case, you either wait until they have played their SWD or you play Edwin early with a body of 4/4 where the Priest is unable to deal with it.
It's very important to know vs what class you're playing and what deck they're using, to minimize the risc factor on your side by playing certain cards.
Edwin when played right is extremely powerful and I can't count how many times he has won me the game from turn 3 that usually seals the deal if not able to be removed fast.
It came to me recently after a match against another fellow Hearthstone player, that Edwin VanCleef just isn't viable. Too many times have I carefully planned out his summoning in which he ended up countered by either instantaneous death, or debuffed by cards such as Aldor Peacekeeper.
I know that Edwin VanCleef has superb potential, especially in a Miracle Rogue deck, but how does one ensure it's summoning for at least until it has served it's use for at least one turn?
another thing is that he is not the only finisher in the deck... sometimes you just get him out as a 4/4 or a 6/6 or 8/8
Edwin is a Tempo card, not an insta-impact or a finisher. He is too cheap for that.
Even if it is insta-crippled, you made the opponent use some resources on him instead of other cards or your own face. And you force your opponent into that.
OR, see it this way: Edwin basically adds 3 mana cost to a sequence of actions on your side (minions/spells). In turn, it provides a big body ON TOP of actions taken.
You can't expect more from a 3-mana card, even if it is class legendary.
In hearthstone, you can't ensure anything unless it is for the obvious, as an example, you're on turn one with double coins in hand and Edwin. You play it and it ends up with a body of let's say..6/6, nobody will be able to kill it for at least one turn.
The exact same deck that could make the play to get a 6/6 Edwin can also kill it right away. Backstab + Eviscerate. If you were first, they could use their coin for it. Also, some fringe examples are Silence (I run it in my silence priest at rank 5), Hunter's Mark + Arcane Shot/On the Hunt (with coin), Naturalize and Sap (sort of). So there's enough cards now that you really can't ensure anything at all haha.
Sorry OP, but you're lacking in the brains department. Not to mention also that half the miracle rogue decks include Conceal. Did you even look at more than a single deck before making such an idiotic declaration? I'm sorry, but you deserve a tongue-lashing.
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It came to me recently after a match against another fellow Hearthstone player, that Edwin VanCleef just isn't viable. Too many times have I carefully planned out his summoning in which he ended up countered by either instantaneous death, or debuffed by cards such as Aldor Peacekeeper.
I know that Edwin VanCleef has superb potential, especially in a Miracle Rogue deck, but how does one ensure it's summoning for at least until it has served it's use for at least one turn?
Conceal
"この 先は 暗い 夜道 だけが も 知らない それでも信じて 進むんだ 星が その道 を 少し でも 照らしてくをるのを"
Top tier shit posting
stealth is the only foolproof, even then, you must pray to rngesus
Conceal is a great play following a largely buffed Questing Adventurer. the argument you are making is one that can be applied to any threat not just Edwin VanCleef. with this I'm set to disagree with you as Edwin VanCleef is a card that has won me many games due to my opponent not being able to answer it. so to say that its no longer viable isn't really accurate. what you should be trying to do is bait out such removals in advance of making those big plays.
“In the midst of chaos, there is also opportunity” ― Sun Tzu
My current disaster-piece
OP isn't viable.
Look, I want to tell you something because you're very dear to me. And I hope you understand that it comes from the bottom of my damaged, damaged heart. You are the finest piece of ass I've ever had and I don't care who knows it. I am so glad that I got to roam those hillsides.
And top tier insightful reply as first post, wow dude I'm amazed.....
"この 先は 暗い 夜道 だけが も 知らない それでも信じて 進むんだ 星が その道 を 少し でも 照らしてくをるのを"
Your opponent is forced to waste cards to remove a 3 mana minion, which is actually good.
If he doesn't counter it, it's a big threat that will deal lots of damage.
Or of course, as mentioned before, you could Conceal.
Rogue doesn't have many viable threats/wincond, but VanCleef is the best among those few. I think it is inappropriate to denounce VanCleef without a replacement card in mind (like Questing) and explanation why it is better than VC.
My greatest achievement yet:
Not disenchanting my double Shadowbomber
In hearthstone, you can't ensure anything unless it is for the obvious, as an example, you're on turn one with double coins in hand and Edwin. You play it and it ends up with a body of let's say..6/6, nobody will be able to kill it for at least one turn.
Edwin is a difficult card to play for the reasons you listed, and in HS you always have to take a risk, but the deal is, to reduce the chances of shit happening, as it is bound to happen eventually.
Example: Playing Edwin vs Priest when they didn't use Shadow word: Death is too risky, so you're asking for the worst outcome, in such case, you either wait until they have played their SWD or you play Edwin early with a body of 4/4 where the Priest is unable to deal with it.
It's very important to know vs what class you're playing and what deck they're using, to minimize the risc factor on your side by playing certain cards.
Edwin when played right is extremely powerful and I can't count how many times he has won me the game from turn 3 that usually seals the deal if not able to be removed fast.
Wasn't there literally just a nerf thread for Edwin like last week?
What are you talking about? VanCleef is the best in Jade Druid if you play Aviana - Kun first.
Edwin is a Tempo card, not an insta-impact or a finisher. He is too cheap for that.
Even if it is insta-crippled, you made the opponent use some resources on him instead of other cards or your own face.
And you force your opponent into that.
OR, see it this way: Edwin basically adds 3 mana cost to a sequence of actions on your side (minions/spells). In turn, it provides a big body ON TOP of actions taken.
You can't expect more from a 3-mana card, even if it is class legendary.
Not viable? I guess you don't play rogue very well. I just won a game with an 8/8 turn 2 Edwin. It's borderline broken since silence was nerfed.
I am so sad I didn't get to print screen the concealed 20/20 Edwin :(
That shaman was too fast to concede
P.S. He conceded because of the 4/4 stealthed Auctioneer because he had no HP left. Edwin had nothing to do with that
Sorry OP, but you're lacking in the brains department. Not to mention also that half the miracle rogue decks include Conceal. Did you even look at more than a single deck before making such an idiotic declaration? I'm sorry, but you deserve a tongue-lashing.