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Quote from KitsuneRTC >>

tbt it should be a 4/5 at least.... Its like hey we both are playing insane decks, but you get to discover something insane from my deck that plays 2 of each insane minion instead of any random hearthstone card in the universe AND have enough dmg to trade into my next 8 minions. 10/10 would get tirion drakonid'd for the 15th time in a row.

Drakonid itself is really strong, but the discover rate from Netherspite HIstorian is busted. You can pretty much count on getting it.

yeah, let's better complain about card that is not winning games by itself like Drakonid Operative, but defend 1-drop with statline 2\1+2\0 charge, or Blessing of Might that you can put on your face in class, specialized in windfury, or 8 mana 12\10 :))
and to achieve that aggro is nerfed to the ground, you literally need to change peoples' brains, because ladder is full of aggro shit even in aggro nerfed to the ground

Priest has never been top tier ever, heaven forbid we finally get a strong card that's better than just mediocre. gasp

Dragon priest will loose a lot when the next standard cycle kicks in. 

Let us have our moment.

Quote from Boethion >>

Drakonid Operative is really overpowered for a few reasons: First of all he doesn't lose any stats for his effect, which is much stronger than Shifting Shades who pays 2 statpoints and has a Deathrattle, which normaly discounts effects. A classic example of this is Loot Hoarder and Novice Engineer.

The ability to Discover a card also gives Priest an easy way to counter Anyfin Can Happen, Jade Idol, Lord Jaraxxus and other 1-card winconditions or just get another big threat without the need for Entomb. There is also no way for you to counter/interact to that, so its right up there with other nerfed cards, because they weren't fun or interactive like pre-nerfed Warsong Commander.

I suggest making the ability random instead of Discover and nerf the stats to 5/5 or 4/6.

Edit: Its funny seeing people complain about an Aggro-card, even if Aggro has been nerfed to the ground, but god forbid if a Control/Midrange-card is broken, especially if its Priest.

Quote from DragonConsort >>

Azure drake is a neutral and doesn't require you to hold a dragon in hand for effect.   Also priest is the most garbage class in the game before this expansion, they deserve strong cards.  

Quote from smontage >>

Quote from DragonConsort >>

Azure drake is a neutral and doesn't require you to hold a dragon in hand for effect.   Also priest is the most garbage class in the game before this expansion, they deserve strong cards.  

 The sheer quantity of upvotes this comment got has made me seriously depressed. 

Humanity must learn: Suffering past injustice does NOT give you the right to inflict future injustice! 

This logical fallacy is the reason almost every conflict in the world - military ones, conflicts of opinion all go back and forth in a never ending see-saw. Priest deserved good cards, balanced cards, not broken ones like this clearly is. A nerf to 5/5 is clearly on the horizon.

Go to your collection and select 5 mana cost cards. Browse the minions. 5 drops typically have some of the worst stat lines in the game due to having battlecries. 

Ethereal Peddler, Malchezaar, Usher of Souls, Pit Fighter, Darkmender. That's 5 cards out of ~70 cards. I have not counted cards such as Faceless Manipulator or cards with obvious draw backs for higher statlines (Doomguard, Venture Co. Mercenary etc...). Even if I did, these only account for another 5 or so cards.

I think it's overwhelmingly clear that 5/6 stat line is far from average, with 7% of cards exhibiting it.

As for arguing using statements like 'I have seen it played a lot and I have seen other people play it and it never dramatically changes the game'. Well, I disagree, and I'm sure many others disagree. It is the best discover card in the game in that vs an opponent playing a competitive deck, the 3 cards you have to choose from will typically be well above average, notwithstanding some coming up which are particular to your opponent's strategy but useless to you (Totemic Might anyone?).

The only thing that comes close is Ethereal Conjuror which also picks from a rich card pool (Mage spells), is ALSO a class card, ALSO costs 5 mana but has a 6/3 statline. So the condition of holding a dragon (something any dragon priest will achieve effortlessly by turn 5) is worth 2 stat points, better distributed? I'm just not convinced. 

I think the card is great fun. Exactly what priests needed to give them quirky ways to close out games. I just don't see why its body should also be on steroids.

Quote from Paeter27 >>

Quote from smontage >>

Quote from DragonConsort >>

Azure drake is a neutral and doesn't require you to hold a dragon in hand for effect.   Also priest is the most garbage class in the game before this expansion, they deserve strong cards.  

 The sheer quantity of upvotes this comment got has made me seriously depressed. 

Humanity must learn: Suffering past injustice does NOT give you the right to inflict future injustice! 

This logical fallacy is the reason almost every conflict in the world - military ones, conflicts of opinion all go back and forth in a never ending see-saw. Priest deserved good cards, balanced cards, not broken ones like this clearly is. A nerf to 5/5 is clearly on the horizon.

But the card isn't over powered it has the average stats for a 5 cost

it has an effect attached to it because it is a class card

and it has that dragon condition to balance it

I have seen it played a lot and I have seen other people play it and it never dramatically changes the game

and one other thing. your cards  > opponents cards

This card is strong for sure, but way less strong than tonns of others.

I don't think the card should be nerfed, but anyone not seeing that this is quite possibly the most powerful 5 drop in the game is deluding themselves.

It's a powerful mid-range type card, with its dragon type and solid statline. It's pretty much a game-over in any value matchup for the opponent. It provides card advantage and can very often 2-for-1 and often even 3-for-1!

Quote from smontage >>

Go to your collection and select 5 mana cost cards. Browse the minions. 5 drops typically have some of the worst stat lines in the game due to having battlecries. 

Ethereal Peddler, Malchezaar, Usher of Souls, Pit Fighter, Darkmender. That's 5 cards out of ~70 cards. I have not counted cards such as Faceless Manipulator or cards with obvious draw backs for higher statlines (Doomguard, Venture Co. Mercenary etc...). Even if I did, these only account for another 5 or so cards.

I think it's overwhelmingly clear that 5/6 stat line is far from average, with 7% of cards exhibiting it.

As for arguing using statements like 'I have seen it played a lot and I have seen other people play it and it never dramatically changes the game'. Well, I disagree, and I'm sure many others disagree. It is the best discover card in the game in that vs an opponent playing a competitive deck, the 3 cards you have to choose from will typically be well above average, notwithstanding some coming up which are particular to your opponent's strategy but useless to you (Totemic Might anyone?).

The only thing that comes close is Ethereal Conjuror which also picks from a rich card pool (Mage spells), is ALSO a class card, ALSO costs 5 mana but has a 6/3 statline. So the condition of holding a dragon (something any dragon priest will achieve effortlessly by turn 5) is worth 2 stat points, better distributed? I'm just not convinced. 

I think the card is great fun. Exactly what priests needed to give them quirky ways to close out games. I just don't see why its body should also be on steroids.

 

Quote from Paeter27 >>

Quote from smontage >>

Go to your collection and select 5 mana cost cards. Browse the minions. 5 drops typically have some of the worst stat lines in the game due to having battlecries. 

Ethereal Peddler, Malchezaar, Usher of Souls, Pit Fighter, Darkmender. That's 5 cards out of ~70 cards. I have not counted cards such as Faceless Manipulator or cards with obvious draw backs for higher statlines (Doomguard, Venture Co. Mercenary etc...). Even if I did, these only account for another 5 or so cards.

I think it's overwhelmingly clear that 5/6 stat line is far from average, with 7% of cards exhibiting it.

As for arguing using statements like 'I have seen it played a lot and I have seen other people play it and it never dramatically changes the game'. Well, I disagree, and I'm sure many others disagree. It is the best discover card in the game in that vs an opponent playing a competitive deck, the 3 cards you have to choose from will typically be well above average, notwithstanding some coming up which are particular to your opponent's strategy but useless to you (Totemic Might anyone?).

The only thing that comes close is Ethereal Conjuror which also picks from a rich card pool (Mage spells), is ALSO a class card, ALSO costs 5 mana but has a 6/3 statline. So the condition of holding a dragon (something any dragon priest will achieve effortlessly by turn 5) is worth 2 stat points, better distributed? I'm just not convinced. 

I think the card is great fun. Exactly what priests needed to give them quirky ways to close out games. I just don't see why its body should also be on steroids.

 

 5/6 is average 

1 cost should be 1/2 or 2/1. 2cost should be 2/3 3/2 3 cost 3/4 4/3 etc 

look at it like this vs azure

it has 1/2 more hp but looses spell power and the ability to thin out your deck. It's a class card so it can be slightly overpowered than azure

 

Class cards are typically a lot stronger than neutrals.  Priest has been lacking in good class cards for a long time.  This is fine. 

Quote from SchruteBucks >>

Class cards are typically a lot stronger than neutrals.  Priest has been lacking in good class cards for a long time.  This is fine. 

My first thought for balancing this card was to reduce its stats to 4/5, like many have said on this post.  But just 2 of these in a deck is not that oppressive - it's ok for class cards to be a little OP.

I now think that the problem here is actually Netherspite - since the discover mechanic gives class cards a higher probability of appearing as one of the 3 choices, you have pretty damn good odds of discovering 2 more copies of Drakonid Operative.  The ability to play 4 of these IS oppressive.

It would be like Paladin having a card that discovers "any" Divine Shield minion.  You would be almost guaranteed of seeing Tirion as one of the 3 choices.

So, I suggest they just change Netherspite's mechanics behind the scenes to make all dragons equally likely to appear.  No nerf necessary.

Quote from smontage >>

It is the best discover card in the game in that vs an opponent playing a competitive deck, the 3 cards you have to choose from will typically be well above average, notwithstanding some coming up which are particular to your opponent's strategy but useless to you (Totemic Might anyone?).