This would be a totally fine card at 4 mana. Might have even seen play as a counter to spell heavy decks. But 9 mana? That's absurd. Easy curse-the-gods-for-making-it-your-legendary-roll-then-dust-it-before-you-spend-too-much-time-thinking-about-it.
I think this needs clarification before it can be properly judged. The following points:
1) Does this affect spells + Hero Powers as well as minion/weapon attacks? If it does, it could have a LOT more survivability than people are giving it credit for. Targeted spells would be relatively useless if it does.
2) Can enemy minions attack their own side (AKA Misdirection) or just other valid targets (AKA Mogor the Ogre). If the former, the could be used in a Yogg Style, Hail Mary play, when you've clearly lost, to try and drag you back in the game.
If they didn't mean all targets then they wouldn't have said all targets. They would have said "when a character attacks" if they meant just characters.
Again, if they didn't mean random targets then they wouldn't say random targets. Characters should attack any character (including the one you actually target since it doesn't say "another target"), and targeted battlecries/spells should choose a random target and fizzle if the target is invalid but battlecries/spells may work like Yogg where it chooses among valid targets (execute would only target damaged minions) and fizzle if there aren't any.
I think people are severely underestimating this card. You can absolutely OBLITERATE your opponent from a solid board state unless they use a board clear or other incredibly niche counter.
While I don't think there will be yogg levels of insane turnarounds, you will see many a deck wipe their own board trying to remove this card. Base chance 1/3 to be targeted, gives insane protection to any "setup" cards that you need to stay on the board for a turn.
It may not be top tier, but mark my words this is dark horse material.
Im sorry blizzard but you cant release this without a detailed explanation. We obviously need many clarifications.
Firstly, to what extent to targeting rules apply? The first level would be attacks, we are all assuming they can hit ANYTHING, not just enemies like Mogor, so we can move on.
Secondly, what about spells or things with conditions? If i cast shadow word death, can it randomly target any minion (spellbender works like this, death can target a 1/3) or will it only be able to target 5 attack minions(so with mayor, using this logic you could only cast death if a 5 attack minion were in play but it could hit anything). The new priest healing potion would be another example. Yogg kept the conditions, but cards like spellbender and mogor with icehowl ignored them so the precedent doesnt really exist.
Then there are even crazier implications. The two someone pointed out are execute and shield slam. If noggenfogger ignores some conditions, why not all, and in that case you could ignore the minion in execute (execute face) or shield slam (lol). The easy answer would be that noggenfogger uses conditions, but i find that hard to believe based on the concept of the card. There are smaller implications like if the positioning of a minion counts as a target. I expect a very long set of clarifications soon
Terrible. Was my first thought... but actually... this might not be a bad card to save yourself from a teribad position. It can buy you a turn, you then trae it with something (randomly) and the terrible statline makes it likely to die. Then you are free to attack as desired... maybe a pyro to the face or something...
I hope I get this from the packs seriously guys against all that jade golems reno decks and upcoming control warriors this card is crazy
Better than it looks I think, will cause mass chaos when played. Fun effect, and possibly game-breaking, wish it was lower costed at 7 or so.
The world simply isn't ready for a card like this, and I don't think it will ever be...
This would be a totally fine card at 4 mana. Might have even seen play as a counter to spell heavy decks. But 9 mana? That's absurd. Easy curse-the-gods-for-making-it-your-legendary-roll-then-dust-it-before-you-spend-too-much-time-thinking-about-it.
You know, I actually won't dust it for at least a month after opening it. I have a feeling it may actually do something useful somewhere.
I think people are severely underestimating this card. You can absolutely OBLITERATE your opponent from a solid board state unless they use a board clear or other incredibly niche counter.
While I don't think there will be yogg levels of insane turnarounds, you will see many a deck wipe their own board trying to remove this card. Base chance 1/3 to be targeted, gives insane protection to any "setup" cards that you need to stay on the board for a turn.
It may not be top tier, but mark my words this is dark horse material.
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I simply don't care. I LOVE this card! Damn, i even hope to get it!
It's is bad - sure, but goddamn the laughs i will get from this card, will be "piss my pants"-worthy - Hell, i even craft a golden! It is just dust.
freeze mage counter. Eeey why you Ice Lance your own face?~
Malygos/Miracle Rogue counter... Eeee why you kill your own Gadgetzan Auctioneer?
He is a cool guy.
Not sure if hyped yet.
So, ALL targets ... does that mean Hunter hero power can hit himself in the face or his own minion instead?
Stick this in a grimy goon deck. It'll soon be up there at 7/6 at least by turn 9.
Get it out of flamestrike range and chaos will ensue. I'm calling this card a sleeper.
Im sorry blizzard but you cant release this without a detailed explanation. We obviously need many clarifications.
Firstly, to what extent to targeting rules apply? The first level would be attacks, we are all assuming they can hit ANYTHING, not just enemies like Mogor, so we can move on.
Secondly, what about spells or things with conditions? If i cast shadow word death, can it randomly target any minion (spellbender works like this, death can target a 1/3) or will it only be able to target 5 attack minions(so with mayor, using this logic you could only cast death if a 5 attack minion were in play but it could hit anything). The new priest healing potion would be another example. Yogg kept the conditions, but cards like spellbender and mogor with icehowl ignored them so the precedent doesnt really exist.
Then there are even crazier implications. The two someone pointed out are execute and shield slam. If noggenfogger ignores some conditions, why not all, and in that case you could ignore the minion in execute (execute face) or shield slam (lol). The easy answer would be that noggenfogger uses conditions, but i find that hard to believe based on the concept of the card. There are smaller implications like if the positioning of a minion counts as a target. I expect a very long set of clarifications soon
this card is hilarious. voted meta-defining. I would definitely play that :D
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Pretty sure this means ALL hero powers, ALL minion attacks and ALL spells (so everything) hit random targets. Therein lies the value of it.
sent Tweet to Matthew Place asking for confirmation.
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Future mvp.. imagine to cast it with barnes or the new 6 mana legendary hahaahahh... i already see the deck .. chaos priest :)
Terrible. Was my first thought... but actually... this might not be a bad card to save yourself from a teribad position. It can buy you a turn, you then trae it with something (randomly) and the terrible statline makes it likely to die. Then you are free to attack as desired... maybe a pyro to the face or something...
Confirmed mechanics!
@ThePlaceMatt Good job today! Question: Mayor Noggen: ALL hero powers, spells and minions then hit random targets? everything?
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@TheDiscoEffect Everything!! :)