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so dont think about playing it on turn one. you can go turn 3 flame walker coin dude secret. it can give you insane tempo on turns where that shouldnt be possible. the thing about ktm is it cost the same amount and for 3 mana is doesnt have an effective body on its own. also doesnt give a discount. 

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Quote from EternalFinality >>

This card is a 1 mana 2/1 that gives you three mana.  It is absolutely insane.  The people bickering over what secret to use on turn 1 are so far off base it's comical.  It costs ONE MANA.  It does not have to be used on turn 1.  The tempo generated by this card is insane.

 Exactly!

Almost every card revealed so far has pages and pages of hate comments. They think it needs to be a 4 mana 8/8 to see any play... They obviously have no idea about card synergy, and the small things that can be very powerful.

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Quote from orginalandyg >>

Quote from EternalFinality >>

This card is a 1 mana 2/1 that gives you three mana.  It is absolutely insane.  The people bickering over what secret to use on turn 1 are so far off base it's comical.  It costs ONE MANA.  It does not have to be used on turn 1.  The tempo generated by this card is insane.

 Exactly!

Almost every card revealed so far has pages and pages of hate comments. They think it needs to be a 4 mana 8/8 to see any play... They obviously have no idea about card synergy, and the small things that can be very powerful.

 Well. When you deal with 0 mana 5/5s about 40x a day at high ranks you kind of look for spectacular standalone cards.

It's a sad but true thing about the game right now.. Blizzard constantly makes a few decks so insane that of you aren't optimized with your less generically OP decks you are screwed. 

The problem with NOT playing this card on turn 1 is a 1 health body mid/late game has zero value whatsoever. They value kill it before you use it. So mid late game you're really spending 2 cards for a 1 cost secret, which is just not enough value alone to make a secret worth it.

Also you're both mistaken. This is not one card that gives you a three mana spell free. It's actually TWO cards for a 2/1 and a free secret and that's what you're not seeing. Mad scientist was a single card that gave you a three mana spell free (and thinned your deck like a G) which was why it was so good. This is a combo card with a fairly weak payoff.. Mage secrets aside from ice block just aren't that good. 

Quote from EternalFinality >>

This card is a 1 mana 2/1 that gives you three mana.  It is absolutely insane.  The people bickering over what secret to use on turn 1 are so far off base it's comical.  It costs ONE MANA.  It does not have to be used on turn 1.  The tempo generated by this card is insane.

Quote from GratedWasabi >>

Quote from orginalandyg >>

Quote from EternalFinality >>

This card is a 1 mana 2/1 that gives you three mana.  It is absolutely insane.  The people bickering over what secret to use on turn 1 are so far off base it's comical.  It costs ONE MANA.  It does not have to be used on turn 1.  The tempo generated by this card is insane.

 Exactly!

Almost every card revealed so far has pages and pages of hate comments. They think it needs to be a 4 mana 8/8 to see any play... They obviously have no idea about card synergy, and the small things that can be very powerful.

 Well. When you deal with 0 mana 5/5s about 40x a day at high ranks you kind of look for spectacular standalone cards.

It's a sad but true thing about the game right now.. Blizzard constantly makes a few decks so insane that of you aren't optimized with your less generically OP decks you are screwed. 

The problem with NOT playing this card on turn 1 is a 1 health body mid/late game has zero value whatsoever. They value kill it before you use it. So mid late game you're really spending 2 cards for a 1 cost secret, which is just not enough value alone to make a secret worth it.

Also you're both mistaken. This is not one card that gives you a three mana spell free. It's actually TWO cards for a 2/1 and a free secret and that's what you're not seeing. Mad scientist was a single card that gave you a three mana spell free (and thinned your deck like a G) which was why it was so good. This is a combo card with a fairly weak payoff.. Mage secrets aside from ice block just aren't that good. 

Polymorph Secret confirmed, the value of this guy just went substantially up. I think it could be viable now.

• 2 Mana Wyrm
• 2 Arcane Anomoly
• 2 Kabal Lackey
• 2 Babbling Book
• 2 Kirin Tor Mage
• 2 Flamewaker
• 2 Arcane Intellect 
• 2 Potion of Polymorph
• 2 Counterspell
• 2 Spellbender
• 2 Fireball
• 2 Frostbolt
• 6 Other stuff

Quote from protoaddict >>

Polymorph Secret confirmed, the value of this guy just went substantially up. I think it could be viable now.

• 2 Mana Wyrm
• 2 Arcane Anomoly
• 2 Kabal Lackey
• 2 Babbling Book
• 2 Kirin Tor Mage
• 2 Flamewaker
• 2 Arcane Intellect 
• 2 Potion of Polymorph
• 2 Counterspell
• 2 Spellbender
• 2 Fireball
• 2 Frostbolt
• 6 Other stuff

Quote from Bresson74 >>

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... it does allow to drop Alex and Ice Block on the same turn without using Emperor.

The point is that it has the potential to get very high value, but if it doesn't, it isn't bad. 

freeze mage buff. 1 mana 2/1 play a 3 mana secret.

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freeze mage buff. 1 mana 2/1 play a 3 mana secret.

Maybe:

+2 Medhiv's Valet
+2 Azure Drake
+1 Flamestrike
+1 Bloodmage Thalnos

{Oops I meant to quote the perspective deck list the guy posted back)