the theme does not has to have a synergy with classes, look at the goons again,
none of the classes ever had +1/+1 in hand mechanic ever. and hunters or warriors do not have synergy with this mechanic without the cards released in MSG
again,look at rogue, never seen Violet Teacher rogue? tone of cheap spells and cycle to get the token machine rolling.
Yeah. But i think the theme's gonna be this minion switching gimmick anyway. Which is good in Druid and Shaman (switching with tokens), not so good in Rogue.
Yeah. But i think the theme's gonna be this minion switching gimmick anyway. Which is good in Druid and Shaman (switching with tokens), not so good in Rogue.
i just proved that it cant be that (99% sure) :/
Firstly swapping cards as a mechanic is NOT POSSIBLE, why? Look at the goons; their theme was "Give +1/+1 to minions/weapons in your hand" , which if you examine closely is ONLY present in the three classes, the neutrals card which were released were mostly the one which had high synergy with the mechanic, or were thug/ gangsta like. So swapping is not it.
Second of all as i said, "...the neutral cards released had high synergy with the key mechanic..." that's why i think Madam Goya points towards the JL theme. "tokens". think about it, free bringing out minions in exchange of tokens is high synergy. Blizzard itself said this card is related to JL.
Maybe since there were so many battlecries in the Goons set, the Jade Lotus's "gimmick" shies away from battlecries in favor of just strong on board effects. That's why Lotus Agents has the highest actual stats of the discover cards, and the Lotus affiliated minions we've seen so far, like Lotus Assassin and Finja, the Flying Star have stealth and trigger on attack.
Maybe since there were so many battlecries in the Goons set, the Jade Lotus's "gimmick" shies away from battlecries in favor of just strong on board effects. That's why Lotus Agents has the highest actual stats of the discover cards, and the Lotus affiliated minions we've seen so far, like Lotus Assassin and Finja, the Flying Star have stealth and trigger on attack.
Not necessarily true, just my intuition.
Great theory, but this blizzard, they will have a simple theme for the whole gang, and constant like that of the goons "+x/+x to your hand minion(s)", so might be stealth too, but that would be dull if no good cards for stealth synergy are released. A new mechanic of strong board effects looks difficult.
I thought they did right off the bat too, but how terrible would it be to shuffle in a Wisp to get a bigger minion, have your board wiped and then suddenly you have a Wisp taking up a draw in your deck?
The way I see it, the Jade Lotus faction is about tokens, and while Madame Goya helps with token related synergy the reason why she doesn't have a Jade Lotus faction symbol is because her ability can be used in a lot of situations and not just token related stuff (Ex. stolen minions from priest spells). Similarly, Dopplegangster doesn't have a Grimy Goons faction symbol, even though he synergizes extremely well with the buffs from them, and he also can be used in other situations, like Evolve Shaman.
I thought they did right off the bat too, but how terrible would it be to shuffle in a Wisp to get a bigger minion, have your board wiped and then suddenly you have a Wisp taking up a draw in your deck?
everything has pros and cos...for goons you have to hold back and not play out instantly, albeit smaller limitation then drawing a wisp.
BUT, this cards effect is unique and won't be repeated in JL, as explained by me earlier, so you will have one dead draw in exchange for a potential of drawing out Y'Shaarj, Rage Unbound orMalygos level threat for 6 mana. I would take that chance for just ONE dead draw.
don't know if it matters but the three classes in the jade lotus are the three classes that cheats the most on mana (ramp, overload, coin generations, etc..),
This makes more sense than the tokens idea, because rogues have zero synergy with the "play everything" strat that Shamans and Druids can do.
don't know if it matters but the three classes in the jade lotus are the three classes that cheats the most on mana (ramp, overload, coin generations, etc..),
This makes more sense than the tokens idea, because rogues have zero synergy with the "play everything" strat that Shamans and Druids can do.
look at the goons, +1/+1 in hand just as a theme, does not sound super synergistic with warrior and hunters right?
blizzard is trying to add a new way to play,druids rogues(prep) and shaman already have mana discounts why make the same mechanic for the gang, and the token strategy is not a "play everything stategy", who knows how the tokens will be made, even token druid requires planning not playing everything everytime
you might be right too though, but what i am counting on is that blizzard said that Madam Goya is related to JL.
Summoning tokens, no, i meant swaping board and deck minions. I don't quite get you on the token part, why would that be related in any way with the card presented, which is kinda related to jade?
Maybe they are related to the blood mana theme! calling it now - You will be able to destroy an on board creature on your own side to ramp blood mana to put out another minion!
that would be interesting, there was something about the red mana in the "newspapers", hope the use it somewhere. I think its a warlock thing as in the trailer it shows a demon with red mana, and only warlock can use health instead of mana to cast spells for now.
wanted to see jade lotus this week, but they chose Kabal, sigh...one more week :/
like i said, it can be the second reason, she being a panda :p
Yeah. But i think the theme's gonna be this minion switching gimmick anyway. Which is good in Druid and Shaman (switching with tokens), not so good in Rogue.
Maybe since there were so many battlecries in the Goons set, the Jade Lotus's "gimmick" shies away from battlecries in favor of just strong on board effects. That's why Lotus Agents has the highest actual stats of the discover cards, and the Lotus affiliated minions we've seen so far, like Lotus Assassin and Finja, the Flying Star have stealth and trigger on attack.
Not necessarily true, just my intuition.
Tokens and Madam Goya absolutely do not mix.
I thought they did right off the bat too, but how terrible would it be to shuffle in a Wisp to get a bigger minion, have your board wiped and then suddenly you have a Wisp taking up a draw in your deck?
dunno, lets w8 'n' c
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The way I see it, the Jade Lotus faction is about tokens, and while Madame Goya helps with token related synergy the reason why she doesn't have a Jade Lotus faction symbol is because her ability can be used in a lot of situations and not just token related stuff (Ex. stolen minions from priest spells). Similarly, Dopplegangster doesn't have a Grimy Goons faction symbol, even though he synergizes extremely well with the buffs from them, and he also can be used in other situations, like Evolve Shaman.
She's more of an Astral Communion addition more than anything else. Control Shaman, Malygos Rogue? Stealth Rogue? Swap with Swashburglar?
https://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/general-discussion/240800-hearthstone-board-improvement-idea#c6
Azure Drake in an Astral Deck? lulz
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that would be interesting, there was something about the red mana in the "newspapers", hope the use it somewhere. I think its a warlock thing as in the trailer it shows a demon with red mana, and only warlock can use health instead of mana to cast spells for now.
wanted to see jade lotus this week, but they chose Kabal, sigh...one more week :/
Same reason neutral cards were revealed during Grimy Goons week, take off your tinfoil hats.
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Well, we still need to see Jade and Red Mana. I think those are more likely than some token generation.
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