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What happens if patches is summoned, but your board is already full?  

It actually happened to me today - the cannon animation still played but patches didn't pop out.  I didn't even realize he hadn't been summoned yet that late in the game when I played a pirate as my 7th minion.  I won the game a turn or two later.

My question is, had the game continued, could I still have drawn patches, or was he sort of "vaporized"

 Would have been cool if the animation had him flying out of the cannon, past the other seven minions, and off the left side of the screen. 

I still have people asking me why Patches is so good. Like they understand that he isn't bad to have in a pirate deck, but they don't seem to understand what specifically makes him stronger than other cards. I made a super short video explaining this in some detail. Did I miss anything important?

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Patches is only worth 1 mana at most, it doesn't cost a card and the deck thinning aspect is irrelevant.

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Patches is only worth 1 mana at most, it doesn't cost a card and the deck thinning aspect is irrelevant.

 With all due respect, to claim that deck thinning is irrelevant is to not understand deck thinning. Would you rather your aggro deck to have 30 cards in it, or 29? If you choose 30, I would love to hear why you think so. I would choose 29 because it allows the power level of my deck to be larger, and my draws to be more consistent.

The claim that Patches is only worth at most 1 mana is arguable. I think I could be persuaded to see it your way. My reasoning is that Stonetusk Boar is a 1/1 charge (like Patches), and both have a creature tag (beast/pirate), I would say this establishes that Patches is worth at a minimum 1 mana. However the creature tag is actually very relevant for the deck that Patches fits into, so I would say that this is an increase in his mana worth, the 0.5 mana increase in value is arguable, and I would be fine agreeing that Patches is approximately a 1 mana free upgrade to the first pirate you play.

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 With all due respect, to claim that deck thinning is irrelevant is to not understand deck thinning. Would you rather your aggro deck to have 30 cards in it, or 29? If you choose 30, I would love to hear why you think so. I would choose 29 because it allows the power level of my deck to be larger, and my draws to be more consistent.

The claim that Patches is only worth at most 1 mana is arguable. I think I could be persuaded to see it your way. My reasoning is that Stonetusk Boar is a 1/1 charge (like Patches), and both have a creature tag (beast/pirate), I would say this establishes that Patches is worth at a minimum 1 mana. However the creature tag is actually very relevant for the deck that Patches fits into, so I would say that this is an increase in his mana worth, the 0.5 mana increase in value is arguable, and I would be fine agreeing that Patches is approximately a 1 mana free upgrade to the first pirate you play.

 Deck thinning is so irrelevant with Patches. Assuming you're going first, turn one you have 26 cards left in your deck. Next draw is 1/26 (3.8% for a specific draw). If you play a pirate turn one, the next draw becomes 1/25 (4%). Comparing this to for example Mysterious Challenger who turn 6 (approx 20 cards left in deck, and potentially removes 3-4 secrets from that) actually thins your deck, or more extreme, new Hemet that decimates every low cost card left in deck.

If Patches' benefit was to remove a bad draw from your deck (Patches himself, ironically) why not just substitute him with a more powerful card? That'll make your future draws more consistent too. I'd also argue that combo decks would use him, surely having 29 cards in your combo deck is better than 30, wouldn't you say?

For decks that aim to end the game turn 6-7 tops, the "thinning" that patches does is completely worthless. The power of Patches comes from an early extra body, that your opponent generally can't deal with due to the low starting mana, allowing your minions to snowball.

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Patches is only worth 1 mana at most, it doesn't cost a card and the deck thinning aspect is irrelevant.

 With all due respect, to claim that deck thinning is irrelevant is to not understand deck thinning. Would you rather your aggro deck to have 30 cards in it, or 29? If you choose 30, I would love to hear why you think so. I would choose 29 because it allows the power level of my deck to be larger, and my draws to be more consistent.

The claim that Patches is only worth at most 1 mana is arguable. I think I could be persuaded to see it your way. My reasoning is that Stonetusk Boar is a 1/1 charge (like Patches), and both have a creature tag (beast/pirate), I would say this establishes that Patches is worth at a minimum 1 mana. However the creature tag is actually very relevant for the deck that Patches fits into, so I would say that this is an increase in his mana worth, the 0.5 mana increase in value is arguable, and I would be fine agreeing that Patches is approximately a 1 mana free upgrade to the first pirate you play.

Deck thinning is an upside, just a very small one and especially for an aggro deck. If an aggro deck gets to late game and has less than 15 cards in deck, the game is already over, so the biggest impact it has is topdeck while at ~15 cards. Let's say there are at that point 5 good top decks left in the deck. The odds of having one less card in the deck affecting that top deck is around 1-1,5%.

Having a higher average card quality is a bigger upside, but if you could build a deck with 29 cards, you'd cut the worst one. With Patches you build the deck with 30 cards and have to include the worst card in your deck. So playing Patches doesn't remove any bad card from your deck and doesn't affect the average card quality / power level, and the draw consistency is the upside of deck thinning Patches does have.

No one plays Stonetusk Boar, except for Quest Rogues and Dinosize Paladins, both of which have access to synergies PW doesn't and thus are irrelevant. Thus it can't be claimed to be worth 1 mana. 1/1 body is worth about half a mana (Alley Cat and Wisp for comparision). The charge means dealing 1 damage to the enemy hero, which is worth one third or fourth of a mana (comparing to Sinister Strike). Alternatively you can attack a minion with Patches, which results in it dying, so it's about equal to Moonfire. Neither of the options are worth full mana crystal, but I think the tribe and flexibility combined make it worth one mana, but not more.

Oh boy how much I loathe this card. I use it myself, cause it's too good not to. But I hate its impact on hearthstone. Fuck pirates man. 

Will this cad will get reworded to "after you play a pirate, recruit"?

Refuse to craft it, it is pure cancer and everything I hate about card games. 

This card should not exist.

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Will this cad will get reworded to "after you play a pirate, recruit"?