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Quote from Armybull >>

What People dont get is that BUrst is the only way to win the Game as Zoo in some Matchups, you cant win as Zoo once a Control Deck reach Turn 10, the just Outheal all your Damage, Clear the Board 10 Times or just put the biggest Taunts out they got, Burst is the only WIn Condition Zoo has in these Matchups. If you Take P.O. + Charge from Zoo, they have no way of winning Games against any Control Deck while losing to Aggro because Aggro runs Board Clears nowadays. 

Quote from Falbrogna >>

Quote from Armybull >>

What People dont get is that BUrst is the only way to win the Game as Zoo in some Matchups, you cant win as Zoo once a Control Deck reach Turn 10, the just Outheal all your Damage, Clear the Board 10 Times or just put the biggest Taunts out they got, Burst is the only WIn Condition Zoo has in these Matchups. If you Take P.O. + Charge from Zoo, they have no way of winning Games against any Control Deck while losing to Aggro because Aggro runs Board Clears nowadays. 

Now you're just being pathetic, "zoo can't win after turn 10" ? Yeah guess what THE PROBLEM NEVER ARISES SINCE GAMES ARE SEALED BY TURN 6.
Also "charge" in zoo? Since when do zoo use charge? They literally never ever, what they do is hard control the board and keep piling up damage.

You clearly have no idea about what you're talking about, which is not that surprising since then you wouldn't be defending zoo and PO in particular.

Only reliable card in Warlock class and you want to destroy it ? zoolock is not even T1 deck there is not a single T1 warlock deck right now it is just a T2 deck and if you destroy it warlock will totally became a trash class.

Quote from Lethal_Interjection >>

Seriously ?!? A Power Overwhelming Nerf ?

The only problem with PO, is that you can potentially have 4 (via Dark Peddler)

When LoE rotates out, PO will be absolutely in line.

If we're discussing OG Card Nerfs.. that should have been,

I can think of plenty ahead of PO  !!  Suggested Nerfs in ( )

Alexstrasza: (8/8 Cry: Deal or Heal 5pts), Innervate: (Your Next Spell [Regardless of Turn] Costs 2 Less),

Ice Block: (Next Time You Take Dmg, Immune That Turn), Conceal: (1 Minion 1 Turn), Win Axe (2/2).

Doomsayer: (4 Mana 0/7 or 2 Mana 0/5) Divine Favor: (...up to 3 Cards) & Doomhammer (2/6 1-Overload).

* and I'm not saying the following are OP cards, but.. Circle of Healing, Silence & Inner Rage, should cost 1 Mana.

Quote from Lethal_Interjection >>

Seriously ?!? A Power Overwhelming Nerf ?

The only problem with PO, is that you can potentially have 4 (via Dark Peddler)

When LoE rotates out, PO will be absolutely in line.

If we're discussing OG Card Nerfs.. that should have been,

I can think of plenty ahead of PO  !!  Suggested Nerfs in ( )

Alexstrasza: (8/8 Cry: Deal or Heal 5pts), Innervate: (Your Next Spell [Regardless of Turn] Costs 2 Less),

Ice Block: (Next Time You Take Dmg, Immune That Turn), Conceal: (1 Minion 1 Turn), Win Axe (2/2).

Doomsayer: (4 Mana 0/7 or 2 Mana 0/5) Divine Favor: (...up to 3 Cards) & Doomhammer (2/6 1-Overload).

* and I'm not saying the following are OP cards, but.. Circle of Healing, Silence & Inner Rage, should cost 1 Mana.

You peaple complaining about PO do realize that cards like cold blood and blessing of might exist right? 

I assume this thread arose because someone thought all 1-mana cards that add damage are alike.

Power Overwhelming is significantly different from Rockbiter Weapon in several important ways:

• PO requires a minion on the board; RW does not.
• PO cannot buff weapon attacks (not that Warlocks have access to weapons anyway).
• PO always kills its target, whereas RW's target may survive.
• Shaman has easy access to Windfury, both on minions and on a weapon. Warlock has to make some serious deckbuilding concessions (and use a lot more resources) to get Windfury into play.

PO is a really strong card. Both in control and zoo. But it is not so overpowered and meta defining. Zoo is not a top tier, and many zoo decks even cut it from the deck. Can be frustrating in combolock, but there is no such deck at this time.

Quote from vionicesca >>

Quote from Armybull >>

 Zoo is not an OTK Deck, it is a COntrol Deck with an especially Strong finisher that it needs.

 Zoo is NOT a control deck. It's an aggro deck, tempo deck if you squint. But trading from time to time instead of going face every turn doesn't make a deck control.

1 mana op seem be right , cant target enemy and 1/1 = -1 mana if can it will be best remove in the game , die at the end turn should cost 2/2 = -1 mana , requires a minion on the board not spell dmg not weapon dmg = -1 mana , now 1 mana total 4/4 , aggro lose if get board clear aggro is use many card in one turn if they run out of card it total lose tempo is op this age with that yogg but fine he got nerf now

Zoo is aggro.

Nerfs are necessary until classes are in comparable powerlevel.

Not even a day off respite after a bunch of nerfs before this qq crap starts up again.  I am so sick of all this qq crap. 

Warlock is fine. Shaman got nerfed since it's winrate was +6% more than Mage in constructed and almost beat Mage in Arena.

End of September at https://hearthstats.net/

Arena Top 5

Constructed Top 5

What a bunch of whiners. Should we just nerf every card that anyone has ever lost to?  As soon as Peddler rotates out and you can't get 4x the card, there will be nothing to complain about. Learn to play. 

It's a whole card guys, that kills your own creature. That's two whole cards (usually one and a half for zoo since shitty tokens) which makes it a completely reasonable trade.

Even though it's only 1 mana it's still pretty costly, and for only 4 damage. Your whole deck is built around the premise of pushing face. If person gets lucky with Leeroy+PO+PO for lethal then they got lucky and you'll just have to hope the next zoo player isn't as lucky. 

Also reno needs this not just for otk but shadowflame, sylv steal, etc clever plays.

Now quit complaining.

Quote from tictactucroc >>

What about it ? They nerfed PO to the ground when Nerubian Egg rotated out.

There is nothing wrong about PO in standard.

Quote from Lethal_Interjection >>

@Tokatax

That's my point, is it really OP, or is it just a quality card you can have 4 times ??

DP allowing you to have it 4 times is wrong, I concede that, but that's the same as a lot 

of cards.  No one should have 4 of any quality card, in a 2 copy max game.  If Malchezaar doesn't dupe

Legs, then PO, Raven Idol, Jeweled Scarab & like cards, shouldn't be able to draw cards you already have 2 of

in deck  (1 in cases of Legs) !!

Quote from LsmileL >>

Zoo is aggro.

Nerfs are necessary until classes are in comparable powerlevel.

Quote from Paeter27 >>

Quote from LsmileL >>

Zoo is aggro.

Nerfs are necessary until classes are in comparable powerlevel.

 1. Zoo is not Aggro 

2. Zoolock isn't even tier 1

Power Overwhelming is fine. Warlock is not a strong class atm

Zoo is aggro...

In hearthstone

All aggro decks aim to build a sticky board which is awkward for your opponent to deal with, taunt minions, deathrattles, tokens.

All aggro decks aim to make favorable trades early, kill priority minions and most importantly prevent your opponent from dealing with your own board.

All aggro decks try to close the game out during the midgame, at about turn 5 you start to push face and drop finishers.

Just because a player doesn't vomit their (whole) hand playing around mass removal doesn't mean they aren't aggro, just smart.

Also play-style varies based on matchup, aggro vs aggro becomes an attrition match where the game is decided based on who can out value the other, who can control the board.

Ultimately these are simple terms and correct lines of play come down to knowledge and what you happen to draw. Labels might effect deck building but how you play varies each turn.