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I like Yogg
I think Yogg is fun
Yogg is also obviously terrible if you want to have a serious competitive scene, this card has no business in tournament and pro level matches and should be banned from that format.
I see your answer and I raise you ridiculous Shaman Curvestone. Just like you think people shouldn't suffer from a crazy Yogg, in the same vain people shouldn't have to be frustrated with perfect curve made up of some of the most OP cards in the game where every turn you have to answer your opponent's aggression or lose.
Side Note: I just noticed something in your comment. You are quick to call new players/casuals brainless, but in your self-righteousness competitive players (you being one of them I am assuming) are deserving of respect. Oh the irony. Maybe before you type another comment think well about what you will say and what that will reflect on your personality. Also people are less likely to respect comments like yours because of how rude you look.
But it's an important milestone because it tells them where "We can do whatever the fuck" lives. So In magic um well yeah, there are cards, tournament played cards in that 7+ region that just de facto read "You win, your opponent can do jack all." They just read it in far more interesting ways than "You win the game."
On a 13/13 body you can't target with kill spells or chump block.
You are right that the thread is about Yogg. However, people shouldn't talk as if the removal of specific cards happens in a vacuum (think how Avenge was removed and Mysterious Challenger was no longer as good). Removing Yogg makes it even more difficult to come back from the insane early games of the decks of today. As such, me, a player who enjoys slower decks could not ask for Yogg (the best comeback mechanism in the game, period) to be nerfed / removed from the game since he will often help me catch up against these decks. Obviously its random nature can be very polarizing, but I accept it because for my favorite class to be good (without playing some aggro version) a good comeback mechanism is needed. What I have been saying in my posts is that when certain classes are provided with good ways to clear the board as well as other good tools for survival (Druid just got Moonglade Portal, which is a pretty cool heal effect with a good board presence most of the time) we can have another discussion about this card. Alternatively, instead of just saying "Yogg is the problem just remove it from the game", let's also analyze and remove other cards from the game. Finally the original vision for Hearthstone was for it to be a casual card game to have fun. Blizzard then decided it couldn't keep its hands off the competitive pie (because more money) and messed things up, because now they can't have crazy RNG cards like Yogg without complaints from the competitive scene.
Extra Note: In general, I frown upon people who ask for nerfs. First of all, this is not adding anything to the game. It just takes a piece of it to satisfy a group of people. Second, if Blizzard starts accepting nerfs then more and more requests for nerfs will come in and eventually the game will be unrecognizable (talk about a fresh experience). Lastly, when Blizzard nerfs cards they always follow the philosophy of maintaining the "soul" of the card, while also making it completely unplayable (or only acceptable in very niche decks). This note is not meant as a direct reply to you as I think that your solution would be to just ban Yogg in tournaments (I agree) and in ladder (why are you doing this to Druid? ); ), but I am putting it here for people in general to know where I stand on the issue.
Yogg would be okay if the tournaments didn't take themselves so seriously (as Kripp pointed out).
So many people are trying to justify having this "Fun", completely random card be viable in serious, competitive tournaments. What?
If the tournaments were all about having good times and fun, then Yogg would be awesome! But as it stands right now, they are trying to make Hearthstone seem like a serious E-Sport.. and it's not!
Sorry are you trying to say that Wild is supposed to be competitive too now? Because, and this is official, Wild is not supposed to be that at all. So your argument holds no ground if that is what we are talking about. Wild is meant to be played by casual players and as such there is no reason to question cards in that format unless some crazy easy OTKs come about. The problem is that the Classic set needs a rework to include this some decent answers for all classes so that they never rotate out and Blizzard doesn't need to take half of an expansion's class cards to give answer cards to classes that will need them. One example I will make on this is Starfall, which is 5 mana. If you think about it, it really should be 4 mana (it gives basically a choice between worse Consecration and Fireball meaning you pay something for the flexibility and in one move also give some competition to Swipe in the 4 slot). I guess you could also remove some of the least popular cards in the core sets and change them with completely new cards to make the classes more balanced. However, I truly believe that Blizzard doesn't really understand the implications of what they print, so yeah getting balanced classes not happening any time soon.
You know... I did really hate Yogg until I watched this video. As of today, I hit legendary with my Yogg tempo deck
The first part of the statement is very hard to agree with. Shaman has been given many powerful cards to make sure skill isn't a primary criteria. Zoo is very easy to play (I have even seen people who position their minions badly for buffs like Dire Wolf Alpha or Defender of Argus and in shaman's case bad positioning with Flametongue Totem). I am not saying there is no skill involved at all, but the amount of skill required is much lower than other decks and also you don't get punished as much as you should for your misplays. I have lost to people making the above mentioned misplays numerous times despite doing my utmost to stop and punish them for it.
There are only two mass buffs in the class and those are only played in token Druid (I guess three, but Wisps of the Old Gods, so yeah).
Yeah it is. Tell me something though how can you be proactive if on turn 4 your opponent drops a 7/7 on the board. To be proactive in this case would certainly be a death sentence since you are bound to take 7 damage to the face and no Shaman worth his Doomhammer will forgive that. Another case where you can't be proactive is Tempo Mage with cards like Sorcerer's Apprentice and Flamewaker. Or we could talk about Zoo, where you play your big minion, you opponent uses the perfectly balanced Power Overwhelming on a token to clear your minion and has mana to spare to Life Tap and play something else as well. So we have a class that is proactive, but because Blizzard decided to print stupid cards it can't be.
In conclusion, we have a proactive class that can't be proactive in 70 - 80% of games in the ladder right now and I am the one being ridiculous asking for better reactive cards. The only way for Druid to be able to use his extra mana and be able to play something to be proactive is better reactive cards. Just playing one big minion is not good enough these days. I don't see how a class deserves to be screwed because it can't play its game due to Blizzard's poor decision-making. Finally I don't know what you are saying about Warlock since it has Hellfire as well as Shadowflame (not to mention several other answer cards, which aren't played because you have Zoo, so why play another deck? Right?).
Run the numbers of control mirrors vs. aggro mirrors, and see how often the better player wins.
Magic found Aggro takes 3x as much skill as control, and really when you sit down and look instead of wanting to be smart it makes sense, aggro let's your opponent interact with it, control not so much.
Board Presence is the soul of interaction.
You control your opponent's next turn.
Let's have some fun, first i swing with your creatures into mine and make the best blocks possible and play any combat tricks to further buff my guys.
That rampant growth you were holding? I'm gonna cast it, since i get access to previously unknown information by doing so i get to write down every card in your deck(this is not a slow play violation.), and then "fail to find" giving you no land.
I see you have a draw four spell, i'm going to cast it on myself.
I wiped your board, drew four cards(discarding your draw), and have your deck list in front of me(discarding your ramp).
And this isn't a last ditch bail thing, this was my plan.
Oh and I have a body you can't kill with instants or chump block.
Sorry, but your reply was mainly centered around the fact that I am playing Druid so I replied accordingly. Also I think things have gotten a bit better for Druid of late, because of Moonglade Portal and Arcane Giant. Priest may be lacking in firepower, but it doesn't lack in reactive cards. I never said that without Yogg, Druid would be irrelevant, but it will certainly become weaker (maybe even drop to Tier 2, because you have no good comeback mechanisms).
As for Priest don't think I am happy that Priest has no good decks to play with. I would like every class to have 2 - 3 playable / diverse archetypes at a time to be honest, but you are just proving my point. The fact that Priest, Paladin and Rogue don't have any great decks at the time isn't Yogg's fault, but Blizzard's poorly designed cards. That is why I have been saying that the problem is not enough good cards. Cutting Yogg will not magically fix the game.
The split in the Hearthstone community between people who play for crazy interactions and fun decks against those who play it with a more competitive mindset and want to lower the rng aspects to make room for skill to have more importance.
I think there s a happy medium to be found but we are very far from it. Judging from the fact the biggest threads on Hearthpwn tend to be salt threads by the competitive minded players about Yogg, or salt threads by the for fun minded players about Aggro Shaman.
Well most decks (not necessarily control, since some people need me to be literal about this) don't have enough ways to interact with the board and still need to because of ridiculous cards currently in the game. The typical aggro player in Hearthstone plays out his cards taking special care to waste as little mana as possible and then proceeds to chip away at your health until you lose. That my friend doesn't require skill. Also you were quick to catch a part of what I said, but not the part where I mentioned how my opponents playing those decks painfully misplayed several times and then still won. So yeah, I am not trying to be smart, because I don't really care for what you think about my intellect. In my book if you can misplay several times and still win by turn 6 - 8, then your deck doesn't require that much skill after all. Control on the other hand requires planning (how to spend your cards, when to heal, when to clear, etc., whereas in aggro you mostly play minions, do some basic math and need to position things right, which a lot of people fail at), you can't just play cards and win and if you think that is the case then you can't be that good at the game.
Edit: Magic isn't the same as Hearthstone I am assuming so making those comparisons is not correct on principle.
I already lost games due to Yogg, it's very frustrating but the card it's fine for me, it's a 10 mana Legendary! Sometimes it helps you, sometimes not, sometimes it kills you, sometimes it does nothing.
PS: the first guy was a Zoo, he deserved (i'm kidding).
My magic will tear you apart!