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People saying it's not op because hurr durr only 50% winrate with that card. It's probably not OP but it's not about that, it's about the fact that, when you lose to a deathwing, n'zoth or c'thun, you know EXACTLY why you lost. If you lose to a 50/50 sylvanas or rag, sure you get salty a bit, but it could have gone either way, whatever, it's slightly annoying. However you can play around both cards to a major degree and they don't offer an effect that's far above their mana cost.
When you lose to a ridiculous yogg though, you lost to a 10-15% chance of yogg casting something like board clears, card draw and cotw, or double pyro to your face or whatever and that's frankly BS and doesn't require any semblance of skill to play yogg "at the right time", it's the same type of shenanigans like unstable portal where you have 3% chance to win game on the spot if you skillfully portal an antonidas, thaurissan, kel thuzad, whatever. You also cannot ever fully prepare for what yogg can cast. You can play less minions and save board clears if you are expecting yogg, but there's no counterplay to him drawing cards and getting major card advantage, there's no counterplay to every random secret he can cast (you're not gonna run flare or eater of secrets just because of yogg), there's no counterplay to getting pyroblasted and mind blasted for lethal, there's no counterplay for a wide variety of outcomes that yogg can produce.
I don't see how that's any fun for the player on the recieving end, regardless of the fact that a perfect outcome for the yogg player happens rarely. Having even a small chance of winning the game almost instantly with no or almost no counterplay should NOT at the very least, exist in tournaments. The other times when you don't win the game because of yogg (or unstable portal) don't even matter, the sheer existence of possibility to lose instantly because of yogg and the lack of counterplay makes it not ok for tournaments.
Wow people just need to say something about Yogg every day. You lose more time in a day seething about Yogg than the games you lost to Yogg. I think it is fair to ban a card like Yogg from tournaments because its game-changing RNG in a small sample size of games could be the difference that sees the best player lose purely on RNG. However, in ladder the big sample size of games will show that Yogg is good in about 70% of the times he is played, which is a good compromise for its powerful effect (a 10 mana minion needs a crazy effect to see play). In the current aggressive meta you need cards like Yogg so that if you survive to the late game against aggressive decks it can do something to turn the game in your favor.
Yogg is a fun card you play and just watch things go crazy. Good players still reach the highest ranks and bad players still whine about how broken he is. We get it, he can win you a game that you had no chance to win, but he can also do nothing or in some rare cases put you in a worse spot. To me it is more concerning that we have a stupid shaman deck that just goes face dominate the meta and it is decks like those that make Yogg necessary as an extra answer card. When the meta settles into a better state (where most styles of decks are viable) we can revisit the Yogg issue, but right now I think he is necessary to allow you to stabilize against faster decks.
If there is a card to complaint about is CotW, not yogg saron. Yes, sometimes i played it and i incredibly won lost matches; sometimes i played when i was losing and i just delayed my death by a turn; sometimes they played against me when i was in total control and i lost...and finally sometimes they played it against me and they still lost. If the question is "Does Yogg makes HS a less strategic game?" i would say yes, and was probably better if it was not printed. But is not OP. It can be, but it also can be crap. It's a coin toss. I dont see much more skill in paying 8, do 5 damage and spread 22 stats over 3 bodies...repeat next turn and enjoy your being such a skilled player.
Can we just start instabanning people that keep making these threads?
If you can't beat yogg, join him!
(he will whisper you)
To this comment i will say that the solution shouldn't be to nerf every card we can. There are more pressing problems right now like for example the state of Shaman, a class that has broken cards on all mana costs up to 6. So yeah, I would rather have Yogg and Azure Drake over those cards. Once those are addressed then we can talk about other slower cards. I would much rather lose late in the game than in the first 4 turns. Finally, as I have said again and again asking for nerfs isn't positive behavior, instead you should be focusing on new ways in which to improve the game, perhaps with slight alterations in the Classic set.
That make threads talking about the status of the health of a game that they have invested 160 dollars into?
It seems like the people that think that Yogg is a fair or balanced card are the same people who can't seem to answer my arguments or address the points I made about why this card is just unfair overall. I play decks that for the most part have Yogg in them because Yogg is so good. If you have casted 10 or more spells 85% of the time Yogg is a get out of jail free card.
A whole $160! Be still my heart.
The Arcane Giant will soon be a bigger problem. Unlike Yogg, it is consistent.
Free to try and find a game, dealing cards for sorrow, cards for pain.
what you dont understand is that decks that play yogg especially the latest malygos druid on tempostorm are decks with a control strategy. what i mean by that? you all are saying that the zoo player was winning and he shouldnt have lost..... are you serious? zoo puke their hand thats the strategy of the deck..... how do you expect the malygos druid to be ahead on board when the deck doesnt play for the board. malygos druid is a deck built on spells and survival till you drop yogg-malygos-giants. so no the zoo wasnt winning or dominating and lost from an unfair yogg. if yogg didnt exist you wouldnt see malygos druid as a deck entirely and the matchup wouldnt be zoo vs malygos druid but zoo vs generic curve deck.
yogg is not the fun card you imagined but a strategy as viable as puking your hand as zoo
get it now? i wont deny that he is RNG like the most RNG that RNG can get but if the card was saying *destroy every minion on board draw 3 cards and put 2 random secrets in play* no one would be fucking complaining now cause thats not as random but its the same thing as yogg does now most of the times.
and please somebody come and talk about the bad yoggs that buff the opponent minion to a 15/15 or those who make you die from fatigue. or how yogg is entirely useless against control decks which drop 1 threat at a time.
the only people who cry at the forums about yogg are the curve-aggro players who had the sure win by puking their hand stolen from them by the god of RNG.
and before someone says im an asshole like other posts at least im an asshole who is right
1: lol at people complaining about a card that can actually do something against vomitstone
2: yogg is far from bad rng. Tuskarr is, because of an almost 50% chance to roll something great-to-insane. Yogg may have a good chance to roll some really good clears or generally beneficial spells but every time he rolls again is another chance to get a doom or astral communion
3: saying that he gets better the more spells you play is missing half the point. It's a very convenient thing to point out for yogg haters but it ignores the fact that you have to load your deck up with those spells, potentially weakening ones deck.
4: returning to the tuskarr comparison, yogg cannot be played unconditionally. There are many more conditions to be met for a good Saron play than some are willing to admit. Tuskarr is basically the same as highmane or cotw
5: judging from some of the comments here, it seems that a lot of peeps can't tell when a deck has yogg in it, so don't consider all the times they've won or lost against a deck with yogg in it cause it was never played
6: I don't have yogg so don't even try that argument
Yogg is good for the game. Every tcg has metas and the only realistic way to help diversity, other than nerfing which should be avoided, is to introduce meta changers.