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Glad I made you laugh so hard. Eventually you will learn the difference of RNG like coinflip (dumb luck) and "RNG" like Yogg provides. Until then, keep laughing - it does good for your health :)
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Corvus oculum corvi non eruit.
Glad I made you laugh so hard. Eventually you will learn the difference of RNG like coinflip (dumb luck) and "RNG" like Yogg provides. Until then, keep laughing - it does good for your health :)
Bro, I spent like my last day trying to explain that to you. Some people agreed with me, some didn't. You know, it's just reading. Doesn't hurt.
Maybe my explanation wasn't good or complete, nevertheless, it was clear.
To the other guy.... Zzzz:
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Corvus oculum corvi non eruit.
Dude. Be angry at Worgen combo, then. Be angry at freeze mage. Yogg can do things, other cards can do things. There are a lot of other cards that consolidate a board turn better than yogg unless in very specific and unlikely situations. Just sit down and think for 5 sec.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Corvus oculum corvi non eruit.
One could also argue that yogg is just played due to the ridiculous lack of decent removal in this game. If druid for example would have a decent board clear like twisting nether they would propably run this over yogg.
its realy kinda unbelievable that we have a discussion if a 10 mana RNG maybe boardwipe that can loose you the game, thats a legendary and that requires you to run half deck of spells is OP RNG wise.
My guess would be that some people already have forgotten what a turnback mechanism is since Dev team is sleeping on this.
It must be something like": Man I vometed every minion on curve at the board and now he clears! WTF?! OP"
I think you have to understand the main reason this game exist is that it makes a profit. If u are skilled, experienced player you can be flustrated about the RNG because randominess is making your skill less decisive so its lower you chances to win. But this game is alredy really hard at the beggining (i mean for new players who dont plays ccg) and not having good cards is making it even harder. RNG lowers the dificulity of the game Its giving some chanchces for newbies so they can enjoy the game so they can spend their money to buy adventures etc. After all the maing goal for Blizzard is to make as many money as possible and thats why HS it is and it will be partly based at randominess.
Sorry for bad english
When my opponent plays Yogg I win half the time. I think its a fun card that mixes things up.
There is a counter for yogg, and that's a beat down. Yogg will almost always take a luttle while to start really killing everything, and in that time there's a reasonable chance that your opponent will blast himself in the face with a damage spell. Pretty soon afterwards of course, heal and armor will kick in from yogg, but almost every time a Saron player will take 3-6 damage before then.
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What is OP on about? There's no rng in yogg.
is it so hard to understand why people dont like the card being in competitive play? im priest my opponent is paladin, i understand that i need to have a gameplan against tirion by either stealing him with sylvanas + death or entombing him. if my opponent is anyfin i know i need to entomb all of his murlocks to not get anyfinned. there is no gameplan towards a yogg. you basically just hope they dont draw him.
there should be counterplay for everything, thats generally how card games work.
this just happened in a HS tournament....
watch the clip and the comments. https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/4ywoxo/htc_spoilers_yogg_in_competitive_hearthstone/
another insightful article: http://www.dailydot.com/esports/yogg-saron-competitive-hearthstone/
this just happened: https://clips.twitch.tv/playhearthstone/MuddyQuailSuperVinlin
I've also seen people kill themselves with Yogg, and I've killed myself with him. I've seen him get played and essentially do nothing significant to change who was winning.
It is an epically powerful card, but so are the two of the other Old Gods. N'zoth can turn a game on its head without any problem. I've done it many times and there is little to no "chance" it fails. You just get a full board of death-rattle minions, usually including a taunt that clears all small minions from the board. It's devastating. C'thune can wipe your opponents board and give you a massive minion without doing one scrap of harm to your board. DOOM often does exactly what Yogg is played to do but works every time, clearing the board and giving you a hand full of cards to get back the game with. Deathwing does much the same though at a dangerous cost. (though most will play him with as empty a hand as possible.
I think there are different kinds of card games with different feels. I've played tons of the damned things because I love them so. There are those that have a slow methodical pace. Those that feature dramatic asymmetry in play strategies. Those that have incredibly dramatic swings based on single cards. Those that are all about who has the most rares. Those that reward incredibly thoughtful play. Those that are almost entirely about deck building. And so on....
Hearthstone is a fairly swingy card game wich tries to keep the play fast and somewhat unpredictable. It's a game about reacting to an ever-changing situation rather than one where you methodically plot moves well in advance. Clearly they don't want you to be sure what is going to happen next or be able to establish yourself in a position where you are guaranteed to grind out a win despite many more turns remaining. There are no "blue" decks in hearthstone, at least not many (freeze mage can be like that, or CW). But the Hearthstone designers clearly aren't angling for that kind of play even if they allow it. They want a game of wild shifts of control and unpredictable card outcomes.
Some have brought up poker and some had said its not a good analogy. Here is where it is similar. In poker you have many unknowns and you decide actions based on probabilities. Same goes here. Lots can change in a heartstone game and sometimes a good card just ends you or a card that has a lucky effect. You just have to do your best to roll with the punches and make plays based on what is or is not likely.
You don't win a game of hearthstone until the last life is gone. A full board and a big life total may stack the odds in your favor, but it is no guarantee. You haven't won that game until the last moment. Some folks hate that idea, they want every turn in their advantage to stack on and make victory down the road certain. Others want there to always be hope that next card draw could turn things around. Hearthstone isn't all one or the other but it's a little more in the latter than the former for sure. I think whether Yogg is too far is a matter of taste and preference. No wrong view, but I certainly don't feel like I'm determining the outcome of the game any more or less with Yogg than with Brawl.
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