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Discard lock could be tier 2 now. Never will be tier 1 due to the nature of RNG and how discard works.

But who cares, I get to legend every season with renolock since reno was added, and they always say reno is tier 2. Only shamans, warriors and druids are allowed to be tier 1.

It's a playable card let's leave it like that, I really appreciate that blizz now takes into account the community's thoughts because if they gave any more thrash for the zoo archetyped I would've cried... and then flip blizzard's shit into their throat

I think this is a really good step into making a discarlock deck viable but I think the archetype still needs way more tools (around 4+ cards), refering to synergies like this one and Fist of Jaraxxus style... 

Or simply tap last. 

I'm definitely rooting for discardlock as well. I'll play a midrange discardlock as opposed to the aggro everyone thinks is coming though.

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If only they had worded it, 'if you would discard a card and this is in your hand, put this into play instead'.

 Let see...

You want a 3/3 and 4 damage for 1 mana? Really?

If the card text was this all matches will be warlock vs warlock.

 It's not that much better than a 3/2 for 1 mana.  Better, but, also requires 2 cards and synergy.  But, yeah, maybe make it a 2/2 instead so it's not so oppressive.  The main idea is not the power but having your discard not be random.

I just looked more closely at the art.

I would like to point out that china cups, bowls, pots and plates are not sliverware.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.

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Discard Lock will feel so unfair when it works.  And so impotent when it doesn't. 

 

I think on average it'll be less good than zoo.  So, I guess we get an inferior new archetype.  Maybe good in wild someday if they keep supporting it.

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The greatest problem of discardlock is that it's simply not as effective as zoo. Unless you get a really crazy card that changes this fact, discardlock will be a niche deck that's not as good as "the real deal". Nice tools in this expansion to set it up.

Problem is that cards like tiny knight of evil and fist of jaraxxus are just not rewarding enough. I mean +1/1 in exchange for shredding a card is a terrible bargain.

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Problem is that cards like tiny knight of evil and fist of jaraxxus are just not rewarding enough. I mean +1/1 in exchange for shredding a card is a terrible bargain.

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Problem is that cards like tiny knight of evil and fist of jaraxxus are just not rewarding enough. I mean +1/1 in exchange for shredding a card is a terrible bargain.

 But that's not all you're getting. The only time you'll ever discard is when some other effect makes you discard, and the lost card is ostensibly figured into the cost of that effect.

So when you play Doomguard, you are getting a cheap, large, charging minion AND +2/+2 to your TKE, which isn't so terrible, even if the cards you discarded were halfway decent.

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Problem is that cards like tiny knight of evil and fist of jaraxxus are just not rewarding enough. I mean +1/1 in exchange for shredding a card is a terrible bargain.

 But that's not all you're getting. The only time you'll ever discard is when some other effect makes you discard, and the lost card is ostensibly figured into the cost of that effect.

So when you play Doomguard, you are getting a cheap, large, charging minion AND +2/+2 to your TKE, which isn't so terrible, even if the cards you discarded were halfway decent.

 That is a good point, but consider that the reason doomguard is currently played is because it's pretty easy to circumvent his drawback in zoo (empty hand). When you actually have to discard two cards playing a doomguard the card is much worse. In discard decks you're not trying to cheat the discard mechanic like you are in zoo, so you're going to feel the discard drawback a lot more (at least when you don't have malchezaar imp on board). In order to actually buff tiny knight of evil there's no way to dance around the card loss.

I'm starting to hate this archetype. discard silverware golem with a soulfire: lul GG, nice skill you got there mate. Discard doomguard with soulfire: "extraordinary!"

Enjoy your trash, gimmicky deck. A deck using Yogg as it's only win condition is more consistent than this shitty "archetype".

Nah, there's no space for the card. In order to make a discard warlock, you have to take out too many good cards. Soulfire and doomguard will be the only auto include discard cards. Darkshire has potential seeing as it's a 2 mana 3/2 draw 2 cards.

Not yet buying meta 'Discardlock' ,.. With those dream opening summoning this on Turn 2 it would be so strong. Other than that , meh.  

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I doubt discolock will ever work, it's too inconsistent, unless you can make a deck with 75% cards having the discard mechanic it just won't work.

 

Currently, you can have an half discard cards deck. And dragon decks don't need 75% dragons to work, this is the same here. An archetype will never have 75% of his cards into the same mechanic.

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I'm starting to hate this archetype. discard silverware golem with a soulfire: lul GG, nice skill you got there mate. Discard doomguard with soulfire: "extraordinary!"

Enjoy your trash, gimmicky deck. A deck using Yogg as it's only win condition is more consistent than this shitty "archetype".

Just got done by two silverware golems discarded in the early turns of the game over turn  by 4.... freak? 1st time I faced this.

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Just got done by two silverware golems discarded in the early turns of the game over turn  by 4.... freak? 1st time I faced this.

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Just got done by two silverware golems discarded in the early turns of the game over turn  by 4.... freak? 1st time I faced this.

 Your opponent went for the high roll and it paid off.  It is likely a freak accident unless they have a bunch of 0 cost cards they threw down too.