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Quote from FortyDust >>

Yes, the card sucks now. Get over it.

The tradeoff was that they were able to give Druid some extremely powerful new cards. Druid is far from dead. It sees play at all ranks, as well as in tournaments.

If you think Druid is dead, you are probably stuck in the past, trying to play it in a way that is no longer optimal.

 Yeah druid is the worst class in the game currently.  The only class without a tier 1 or 2 deck.  It saw almost no play in tournaments since wotg release, and it is one of if not the least seen class on ladder.  Good job crybabies, you definitely screwed druid over.

 Also fireball is good in any mage deck.  Again the auto include argument is a poor one.

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Quote from FortyDust >>

Yes, the card sucks now. Get over it.

The tradeoff was that they were able to give Druid some extremely powerful new cards. Druid is far from dead. It sees play at all ranks, as well as in tournaments.

If you think Druid is dead, you are probably stuck in the past, trying to play it in a way that is no longer optimal.

 Yeah druid is the worst class in the game currently.  The only class without a tier 1 or 2 deck.  It saw almost no play in tournaments since wotg release, and it is one of if not the least seen class on ladder.  Good job crybabies, you definitely screwed druid over.

 Also fireball is good in any mage deck.  Again the auto include argument is a poor one.

Quote from atatski >>

Post Nerf Ancient of Lore is super good on any Druid Deck specially Ramp (Astral Communion included). The "weakness" of ramp is sacrificing card advantage for a higher than normal mana curve. Ancient of Lore fixes that. He gives you options, a way to dig through your deck and mitigate potential dead draws, after dropping Astral topdecking can be brutal, druids have dead spells. He is a very strong druid card, he was in every competetive druid deck since launch. Pretty sure it's same case now if he wasn't nerfed. Nerfing him was the right call, I just don't agree with the way they nerfed him.

• Either the deckbuilder sucks 
• There arent enough cards to support that deck

It should be an 8 mana 5/5 with "Choose one - Draw 2 cards; or restore 7 Health."

Quote from FortyDust >>

 Players who brought Druid to Spring Prelims: SilentStorm, Chakki, Talion, Dog, Nostam, ThatsAdmirable, GameKing, Greensheep, Gaara.

And it wasn't any "crybabies" that got this card nerfed. They were all whining about the combo, not this. The design team targeted AoL for design-space reasons, not because of public outcry. Fandral Staghelm is an example of a new card that necessitated such a change.

As for Fireball, there are several decks that prefer Forgotten Torch because they expect a longer game and want a fatter deck or just more spells to cast.

Now you can heal for 5 whole points if a singleton in your deck that costs 4 mana combines with another card that costs 7 mana for a total of 11 mana !

Oh w8 i can combine it with Innervate or other ramp effects cuz 3 card combos over 2 or more turns that heal me for extra 5 and cost overall 11 mana or more!... (yeap thats all i get out of it for all that jazz) are OPopie.

Indeed it was necessitated to nerf it.

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Quote from FortyDust >>

Yes, the card sucks now. Get over it.

The tradeoff was that they were able to give Druid some extremely powerful new cards. Druid is far from dead. It sees play at all ranks, as well as in tournaments.

If you think Druid is dead, you are probably stuck in the past, trying to play it in a way that is no longer optimal.

 Yeah druid is the worst class in the game currently.  The only class without a tier 1 or 2 deck.  It saw almost no play in tournaments since wotg release, and it is one of if not the least seen class on ladder.  Good job crybabies, you definitely screwed druid over.

 Also fireball is good in any mage deck.  Again the auto include argument is a poor one.

 Players who brought Druid to Spring Prelims: SilentStorm, Chakki, Talion, Dog, Nostam, ThatsAdmirable, GameKing, Greensheep, Gaara.

And it wasn't any "crybabies" that got this card nerfed. They were all whining about the combo, not this. The design team targeted AoL for design-space reasons, not because of public outcry. Fandral Staghelm is an example of a new card that necessitated such a change.

As for Fireball, there are several decks that prefer Forgotten Torch because they expect a longer game and want a fatter deck or just more spells to cast.

Quote from Maukiepaukie >>

 Well, Fandral definitely isn't the reason this got nerfed. Having a 3/5 4-drop to make a 5/5 7-drop heal you for 5 health extra isn't an insane combo at all. If you follow that logic, Nourish should definitely be nerfed because turn 4 Fandral into 5 Nourish is broken. 

I do aggree with the fact that lore got nerfed (not this badly, but Blizzard is known for overnerfing by now) because whether druid fanboys like it or not, the draw 2 option was simply way too strong.

Whining is why druid is in this sorry state to begin with.  That the crying of bad low rank players influenced blizzard to such a degree is much more upsetting than the nerfs that actually happened.  It is an open invitation to cry hard and loud and blizzard will hear you regardless of weather it is good for the game or not. 

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Whining is why druid is in this sorry state to begin with.  That the crying of bad low rank players influenced blizzard to such a degree is much more upsetting than the nerfs that actually happened.  It is an open invitation to cry hard and loud and blizzard will hear you regardless of weather it is good for the game or not. 

What the meta would be if AoL would've dodged the nerf bat? The same. C'thun Druid would likely be stronger, because people would play AoL instead of nourish. But AoL didn't get a nerf due to "limited design space", but only because they wanted to nerf it. Don't misunderstand me. I don't have a problem with the nerf, AoL is simply unplayable now which is okay. But the nerf didn't have any reason based on potential OP Druid deck.

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What the meta would be if AoL would've dodged the nerf bat? The same. C'thun Druid would likely be stronger, because people would play AoL instead of nourish. But AoL didn't get a nerf due to "limited design space", but only because they wanted to nerf it. Don't misunderstand me. I don't have a problem with the nerf, AoL is simply unplayable now which is okay. But the nerf didn't have any reason based on potential OP Druid deck.

Perhaps I'm wrong here but I don't think that Druid being under-represented in the prelims and performing poorly there has much to do with Ancient of War.  Rather closer to the truth is that without Force of Nature Druid lacks the burst that is prevalent in many, if not all the other deck archetypes, C'Thun aside.  JackieChan's token Druid is the stand-out non-Cthun Druid, and it wouldn't run AoW given the choice as Nourish is simply a better fit.

Don't get me wrong: I love AoW.  A 6-cost version with the same stats as the current nerf is probably playable, but one has to ask what one is trying to draw into that necessitates running it rather than the various other 6-drops currently played in Druid, Astral Communion aside.  Druid is not "combo" outside Fandral itself, and I'm not convinced that AoW only providing a single card is good enough any more, even at a perfectly balanced cost of 6.

Bumping this to let you guys know this card was nerfed so hard and yet they print ultimate infestation.

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Bumping this to let you guys know this card was nerfed so hard and yet they print ultimate infestation.

Ultimta infestation should have an additional effect : loos 5 of your mana crystals.

this way Ramp Druid would have to reramp

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Ultimta infestation should have an additional effect : loos 5 of your mana crystals.

this way Ramp Druid would have to reramp

 

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Ultimta infestation should have an additional effect : loos 5 of your mana crystals.

this way Ramp Druid would have to reramp

 

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