Because everyone just gonna play star aligner druid? It feel like handlock giant before the nerf, it's so oppresive that there's no room for other deck in wild.
Its bad to be dead on turn 6-7......i had 0 problem with any above deck you listed....vs everything you can tech..but vs star aligner??? You need 6 card slots for teching...aaand again if you have luck to hit aviana or kun...to fast otk and to hard to couter...
Autoloses to baku warrior, baku rogue, even shaman and very vulnerable to dirty rat. In no way op.
Did you ever play dirty rat vs this deck??? It isnt same like maly or tog druid...this deck has around 10-15 minions with ones that return their minions to your had....just because if they rat some of their combo pieces...
Edit: and no! Its not auto lose vs even shaman or baku rogue...
Autoloses to baku warrior, baku rogue, even shaman and very vulnerable to dirty rat. In no way op.
This may be how Blizzard views 'balance' in Hearthstone. In my opinion, it's deeply flawed. It is the same logic that says Quest Rogue is fine, because it loses to very aggressive decks.
But, polarized match-ups are extremely bad for the game, because they create a Rock, Paper, Scissors meta.
Instead, the Blizzard balance team should be aiming for decks that have roughly 50% winrates against each other.
Autoloses to baku warrior, baku rogue, even shaman and very vulnerable to dirty rat. In no way op.
Did you ever play dirty rat vs this deck??? It isnt same like maly or tog druid...this deck has around 10-15 minions with ones that return their minions to your had....just because if they rat some of their combo pieces...
Edit: and no! Its not auto lose vs even shaman or baku rogue...
10-15 minions is an exaggeration.
play dirty rat and brann when they melon and you have a fair chance to win.
Autoloses to baku warrior, baku rogue, even shaman and very vulnerable to dirty rat. In no way op.
Yeah right. Control/Baku Warrior is definitely a good counter but druid in no way autoloses to Baku Rogue or Even Shaman and Dirty Rat only works IF you draw it in time (which has to be super early on) AND hit the right minions (far from guaranteed). The deck needs to be taken down a peg because druid is just way too good right now.
Autoloses to baku warrior, baku rogue, even shaman and very vulnerable to dirty rat. In no way op.
This may be how Blizzard views 'balance' in Hearthstone. In my opinion, it's deeply flawed. It is the same logic that says Quest Rogue is fine, because it loses to very aggressive decks.
But, polarized match-ups are extremely bad for the game, because they create a Rock, Paper, Scissors meta.
Instead, the Blizzard balance team should be aiming for decks that have roughly 50% winrates against each other.
And just to say: even baku warrior need to have 30 hp plus 27 armor.... Believe me that cause my friend plays baku warrior and he win <50% vs it....aviana+kun....doomsayer, doomsayer, bran, star, star, flop, return star in hand, play star again its 56 dmg total...
To your comment: yep it would be the best meta when every deck has around 45-55% chances to win vs every other deck.. Or even 40-60% would still be good.... Not this shit like quest and mill rogue that has 90% wr vs control and 10% wr vs aggro...hate those kind of decks xd
Autoloses to baku warrior, baku rogue, even shaman and very vulnerable to dirty rat. In no way op.
Did you ever play dirty rat vs this deck??? It isnt same like maly or tog druid...this deck has around 10-15 minions with ones that return their minions to your had....just because if they rat some of their combo pieces...
Edit: and no! Its not auto lose vs even shaman or baku rogue...
10-15 minions is an exaggeration.
play dirty rat and brann when they melon and you have a fair chance to win.
play that every time dude....do you know how many times that saved me in last 13 matches vs star druid??? 4 times... And that was when i also played demonic project... And are you sure you will draw dirty rat AND bran till turn 6?? Yep me neither...
Edit: kun, aviana, doomsayer, doomsayer, mediv, star, star, floop, bran, brewmaster, brewmaster, and some lists are running zola and witchwood piper. So its minimum aroud 10 minions. Im not saying they need that many minions but they play them BECAUSE of dirty rat....xD
Autoloses to baku warrior, baku rogue, even shaman and very vulnerable to dirty rat. In no way op.
Did you ever play dirty rat vs this deck??? It isnt same like maly or tog druid...this deck has around 10-15 minions with ones that return their minions to your had....just because if they rat some of their combo pieces...
Edit: and no! Its not auto lose vs even shaman or baku rogue...
10-15 minions is an exaggeration.
play dirty rat and brann when they melon and you have a fair chance to win.
It's not like you can consistently get that by the time they get their combo though.
Edit: Not saying that it has to be drawn consistently so the deck can be countered really hard, but with how fast people are saying the deck can complete the combo, there is hardly a chance to find and play a Dirty Rat.
And??? Why it need to be tier 1?? It same shitt like quest rogue or mill rogue...polarized matches...and that needs to be fixed asap xD im not hating that deck but dude, as control player, its not fun when you are dead on turn 6....xD
Edit: there should be no OTK deck that can kill you on turn 6-8...i understand that OTK kills control...but on turn 6-8??? Are you kidding me xD i dont even have chances to draw anti combo tools that COULD (its not guaranteed) save me xD...
We all know how strong Star Aligner druid is in wild however, is everyone being to quick to accurately access this deck?
Think about all the pros Star Aligner druid has brought to the wild format.
Big Priest Dead
King's Bane & Mill rouge Dead
Jade Druid Dead
All Reno Decks that aren't warlock Dead
All Control Decks that aren't warrior Dead
All aggro decks that aren't Odd Rouge Dead
All midrange decks that aren't Even Shaman Dead
How is this bad thing for the format?
Read the VS wild report. It just came out this week. Among other things, jade druid actually fares well against star aligner druid. It's a tier two deck that is relentlessly teched against, and reasonably beaten by fast decks if they can't manage to draw the melon.
While extremely powerful at various levels, at level 5-0 everyone is teching decks to beat it. Odd warrior (which I admit is not very popular) can beat it by just gaining too much armor. Same with Jade Druid. Even Shaman beats it if they draw devolve. You can only survive long enough if you draw Spreading Plague and if they have devolve, that's not gonna help. I'd say my win rate is about 35-40% and this deck is everywhere. Warlock is now running Brann plus Dirty Rat plus "Change a minion in hand to a demon for both players" and also the 2/3 that burns a card. Toggwaggle druid beats it. Res Priest beats it if they draw Barnes. Especially if they get an Obsidian Golem off it. Or Ragnaros. Either one of those off Barnes and now when you kill the Obsidian Golem it kills one of your minions, usually breaking the combo. I lost yesterday to a guy who had 3 Obsidian Golem on turn 6 thanks to res. No way to win then. This morning Barnes got someone a Rags and you can't ignore it. Killed Barnes and took 8. Played a creature, took 8 more, finally had to kill it, he resed it twice.
Secret Mage beats it quite handily. There aren't a lot of creatures in the deck. And you can't start the combo until you're sure the secrets he has don't include Polymorph or explosions. This can be tricky to pull off. And even if you do make it through that, your opponent probably can't be killed in one turn and has enough burn to finish you off before you get a chance to attack.
I made it to 3.3 this weekend, then lost 8 in a row, then won 5 in a row, then lost 4 in a row, then alternated wins and losses to end up at 4.1. I'm fine with a nerf, the power level is very high, but it's no higher than Even Shaman or Res Priest or any other Warlock with a few tech cards.
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We all know how strong Star Aligner druid is in wild however, is everyone being to quick to accurately access this deck?
Think about all the pros Star Aligner druid has brought to the wild format.
How is this bad thing for the format?
Because everyone just gonna play star aligner druid? It feel like handlock giant before the nerf, it's so oppresive that there's no room for other deck in wild.
Its bad to be dead on turn 6-7......i had 0 problem with any above deck you listed....vs everything you can tech..but vs star aligner??? You need 6 card slots for teching...aaand again if you have luck to hit aviana or kun...to fast otk and to hard to couter...
Did you ever play dirty rat vs this deck??? It isnt same like maly or tog druid...this deck has around 10-15 minions with ones that return their minions to your had....just because if they rat some of their combo pieces...
Edit: and no! Its not auto lose vs even shaman or baku rogue...
This may be how Blizzard views 'balance' in Hearthstone. In my opinion, it's deeply flawed. It is the same logic that says Quest Rogue is fine, because it loses to very aggressive decks.
But, polarized match-ups are extremely bad for the game, because they create a Rock, Paper, Scissors meta.
Instead, the Blizzard balance team should be aiming for decks that have roughly 50% winrates against each other.
10-15 minions is an exaggeration.
play dirty rat and brann when they melon and you have a fair chance to win.
Yeah right. Control/Baku Warrior is definitely a good counter but druid in no way autoloses to Baku Rogue or Even Shaman and Dirty Rat only works IF you draw it in time (which has to be super early on) AND hit the right minions (far from guaranteed). The deck needs to be taken down a peg because druid is just way too good right now.
And just to say: even baku warrior need to have 30 hp plus 27 armor.... Believe me that cause my friend plays baku warrior and he win <50% vs it....aviana+kun....doomsayer, doomsayer, bran, star, star, flop, return star in hand, play star again its 56 dmg total...
To your comment: yep it would be the best meta when every deck has around 45-55% chances to win vs every other deck.. Or even 40-60% would still be good.... Not this shit like quest and mill rogue that has 90% wr vs control and 10% wr vs aggro...hate those kind of decks xd
It's not even tier 1 anymore lol
play that every time dude....do you know how many times that saved me in last 13 matches vs star druid??? 4 times... And that was when i also played demonic project... And are you sure you will draw dirty rat AND bran till turn 6?? Yep me neither...
Edit: kun, aviana, doomsayer, doomsayer, mediv, star, star, floop, bran, brewmaster, brewmaster, and some lists are running zola and witchwood piper. So its minimum aroud 10 minions. Im not saying they need that many minions but they play them BECAUSE of dirty rat....xD
Lol Jade Druid ain't no dead.
It's not like you can consistently get that by the time they get their combo though.
Edit: Not saying that it has to be drawn consistently so the deck can be countered really hard, but with how fast people are saying the deck can complete the combo, there is hardly a chance to find and play a Dirty Rat.
I'm curious as to the reasoning behind OP's opinions on the numbered list, specifically 4 through the end.
However, an increasing part of me is taking this post very sarcastically.
And??? Why it need to be tier 1?? It same shitt like quest rogue or mill rogue...polarized matches...and that needs to be fixed asap xD im not hating that deck but dude, as control player, its not fun when you are dead on turn 6....xD
Edit: there should be no OTK deck that can kill you on turn 6-8...i understand that OTK kills control...but on turn 6-8??? Are you kidding me xD i dont even have chances to draw anti combo tools that COULD (its not guaranteed) save me xD...
"This deck is preventing a large amount of decks from being viable, why isn't that healthy?"
Be honest: Are you dickriding it because you are maining the deck since first day of Boomsday? xD
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Your post is actually the reason why Star Aligner Druid ISN'T good for the meta. Are you trolling or just blind?
..NO
Read the VS wild report. It just came out this week. Among other things, jade druid actually fares well against star aligner druid. It's a tier two deck that is relentlessly teched against, and reasonably beaten by fast decks if they can't manage to draw the melon.
While extremely powerful at various levels, at level 5-0 everyone is teching decks to beat it. Odd warrior (which I admit is not very popular) can beat it by just gaining too much armor. Same with Jade Druid.
Even Shaman beats it if they draw devolve. You can only survive long enough if you draw Spreading Plague and if they have devolve, that's not gonna help. I'd say my win rate is about 35-40% and this deck is everywhere.
Warlock is now running Brann plus Dirty Rat plus "Change a minion in hand to a demon for both players" and also the 2/3 that burns a card.
Toggwaggle druid beats it.
Res Priest beats it if they draw Barnes. Especially if they get an Obsidian Golem off it. Or Ragnaros. Either one of those off Barnes and now when you kill the Obsidian Golem it kills one of your minions, usually breaking the combo. I lost yesterday to a guy who had 3 Obsidian Golem on turn 6 thanks to res. No way to win then. This morning Barnes got someone a Rags and you can't ignore it. Killed Barnes and took 8. Played a creature, took 8 more, finally had to kill it, he resed it twice.
Secret Mage beats it quite handily. There aren't a lot of creatures in the deck. And you can't start the combo until you're sure the secrets he has don't include Polymorph or explosions. This can be tricky to pull off. And even if you do make it through that, your opponent probably can't be killed in one turn and has enough burn to finish you off before you get a chance to attack.
I made it to 3.3 this weekend, then lost 8 in a row, then won 5 in a row, then lost 4 in a row, then alternated wins and losses to end up at 4.1.
I'm fine with a nerf, the power level is very high, but it's no higher than Even Shaman or Res Priest or any other Warlock with a few tech cards.