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The following arguments against 'fixing' Naga Sea Witch do not have merit:
1. I crafted all those cards to make the deck. That's nice, but that means no card should ever be nerfed because there are times players craft cards for a deck all the time. Raza Priest got nerfed and many people crafted cards just for that deck. It's a weak argument that basically says, please don't nerf the deck that I made.
2. It's fine as it is, as there are counters to the deck. Even if there are counters to the deck, that does not mean it should still be allowed to exist in the game as is. You have to take under consideration, how do these Giant NSW decks warp the meta and regardless if there are counters, sometimes you can't draw your counters on turn 4 or 5 when it matters. Also, some counters cost too much mana. It's the age old story...I have a rat problem. Get a cat. The cat has outstayed its welcome. Buy a dog. and so forth. Instead of creating cards to deal with problem cards, just kill the rat (or the problem card in the first place) with a broom.
3. There are other crazy decks in wild, so it's no big deal. 2 wrongs don't make a right. Just because someone else is committing crimes, doesnt mean its ok for you to start doing them just because they are getting away with it. All decks and cards that are causing an oppressive or un fun Wild meta should be looked at carefully. Losing on turn 4 or 5 because a card is not working as intended or broken is not a fun or even interactive experience.
4. It doesn't have a good win or play rate, so it's ok. I don't care if the deck has a 2% win rate and only 3 people play the deck. The card going forward will always cause problems with future design if they ever wanted to print other giants or other cost reducing cards. The card is not working as intended. Win rates do not matter to a card being broken.
Basically, the NSW and Giants issue comes down to the following valid arguments as to why it should be 'nerfed' or reverted to its old self:
a. The card is not acting or interacting with other cards with it's intended effect. The implied effect was to have all your cards cost 5. Cost reduction should not come into the equation.
b. It's un fun and un interactive for the other player. I try to kill you before turn 4 or 5. if I fail, you get to spam the board with giants and win on the following turn. In fact, by attacking you, I have enabled one of your giants to be cheaper too. There are very few counters that can clear a board on turn 4 or 5 and that means you lose.
c. Cards that affect or warp a meta game, should be monitored and fixed, despite win rates and play rates. It doesn't matter how many times a deck wins, the card itself is still not fair. Let's suppose a card read "10 mana minion - Battlecry: If your deck has no cards in it, you win the game." It's 10 mana, so no big deal right? Wrong. Such a card would be un fun and have no interaction from the opponent. You simply fill your deck with board clears and card draw. If you are druid, you can put in ramp too and win before it matters. You might say, but it's very hard to pull this win condition off. Yep, it is. Still not fun and your opponent has no chance to disrupt it.
Another example, which should be a simple thing, is to fix or change keywords from the past. Why, because it keeps the game consistent.
Fix cards that dont have the intended effect. Update cards to reflect their ability.
Unstable Evolution should have Echo.
Warsong Commander should read Rush minions instead now to make it playable as it's clear Charge is too hard to balance.
And there are many other examples as well.
Please don't nerf it blizz. Just fckn DELETE THIS ABOMINATION from the game.
I think the wording should be "Your cards ALWAYS cost 5" to be consistant with other similar cards who do not interact with buffs and debuffs, like Lightspawn.
I actually play that deck... it CAN lose, even to control decks like big priest, but it is mainly weak to hardcore face aggro mage, hunter and paladin.
I feel like I am exploiting a bug when spamming those giants on turn 5...
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I just finished a back-to-back wild legend run yesterday. Nagalock was at least 1/3 of the push from rank 4. I'd guess various aggro paladin builds were close to 40%, with another solid group of Barnes priests. I made the run with an even shaman, starting out with something close to Jackiechan's list but dropping cards like Piloted Shredder because they were way too slow for the Naga. You absolutely must kill them on turn 5, 6 at the latest, or it's over. Nevermind the defiles and hellfires on the way.
The deck completely warps the meta because if you even think about a control deck you need to answer that turn 5. But the limited tools that can do it (Lightbomb, etc.) are too unlikely to be drawn, compared to the Warlock drawing an additional 4 cards by then to find the Naga. So everyone plays a deck designed to win by turn 5. Worse, the deck sucks to play. I don't understand what the holdup is on changing the Naga's text to set cards to 5 mana like it was originally designed to do.
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Naga incredibly limits design space, if blizzard cares at all about wild, and its just a broken card that offers to much highroll potential. Having all your cards cost exactly five was way more balanced
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Just going to leave this here:
Quoting Mike Donais: "Naga Sea Witch Giants is not the best deck in Wild. If you look at any data report based off of actual math instead of feelings that is pretty obvious."
Okay, since we don't have access to Blizzard's internal data, let's use the third party resources available to us.
Here is a link for the most played and highest win rate warlock decks in Wild, from the HSReplay site:
https://hsreplay.net/decks/#playerClasses=WARLOCK&gameType=RANKED_WILD
This data is the largest slice available at Rank 25 to Legend. Summarized from what we see here, the top 4 warlock decks are all Naga Sea Witch Giant decks. Without adding their sample size together, just taking the top iteration and comparing it to the next most played deck which is cube it is still TEN TIMES the sample size. In summation, NSW Giants is THE most played warlock deck in Wild.
Maybe it's biased, let's check it against the latest Vicious Syndicate meta snapshot for class distribution here:
https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/wild-drr/wild-distribution/
Interesting, the most played class looks like Warlock, and the most played archetype? NSW Giant Warlock.
So, now we have two data sources with similar reports. So either, they're completely inaccurate, or Blizzard is fudging the data. The data that no one has seen. Ever.
I guess it depends on what your interpretation of "best" means. Looking at the data available, it's only the most represented archetype of the most represented class — with the highest win rate. So, yeah.
For what profit is it to a man, if he gains the world and loses his own soul?
Well, at least we know that NSW is being considered in the next round of nerfs. Let's hope it actually gets nerfed though.
stop trying to nerf stuff in wild
i haven't even made a naga sea witch giants deck and i have lost to it multiple times but i still don't care
i actually don't care if they nerf it i guess
i'm just being schizo tonight
whatever
anyway i think you're idolaters and are using this card game as an idol to make some change in general society ... involving me
Another fact indicating that the DevTeam members of Blizzard Entertainment have signifacantly low IQ. It took 3 damn expansions to nerf the most anti-skill and idiotic card in the game.
Blizzard is nerfing Naga Sea Witch to 8 mana in the next patch
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