So due to some fatigue with standart in the moment I am looking into wild. And as (properly) many others I headed to the deck page and set up a search.
I did find some decks, but it also raised some questions on when a deck is updated to a new patch. What I am think about is old decks which has not recived any card changes but has been updated to a new patch
These decks was good when they were made, but I believe it is a stretch to call any of them updated for kobolt as they haven't changed anything. And for people heading into wild for the first time or returning to it they do not offer much of a clarification or disclaimer about their competitiveness. They are great for nostalgic reasons, but I believe that they are misguiding.
Should there be a way to report these kind of updates as they are not relevant? Should there be made another way of patch classifying for wild decks? Or am I the only one who find these kind of updates problematic?
There are meta snapshots for wild, these are meant to include competitive decks, not the deck builder of hearthpwn. These decks might be refined as they are. Maybe they included newer cards, but were removed due to adapting the decks to the current meta? Netdecking is fine, but you can hardly push your approach to the game on others, some people don't have to play meta refined decks.
Hearthpwn has a few issues with coding. As such when it is 'updated' it essentially just means that the person that made the deck pressed 'edit' & 'save' and just with that it's considered updated. So it definitely does warrant the devs having a look into that. I do know that sometimes decks can be marked as [spam] if they are updated too frequently.
Will just have to wait to hear back from a moderator on this topic though.
In the meantime I would recommend following your favorite wild creators that prove to consistently update their decks for metas. Excluding myself other candidates that stay up-to-date are Kohai & Kingsdefender. There are more but the names slip my mind presently.
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The point is that a deck with no real updates might still be good in the updated meta.
So denying the update label is equally unfair.
You cannot automatically determine when an "empty" update is still valid for the new meta.
Not going to say it would be easy. Just a suggestion off the top of my head.
Maybe updating the text in the description would also warrant the 'updated' tag. Typically though, it is extremely rare for a popular archetype not to get a boost from a new expansion. But there are exceptions.
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I do concede that you make very good points. Implementing any changes at all would be difficult to say the least.
In terms of old lists popping up again w/o any new cards, I am not aware of any but I guess it is possible. The closest thing I could think of would be control shaman but even that runs the new Healing Rain over the old joust card.
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Hearthpwn has a few issues with coding. As such when it is 'updated' it essentially just means that the person that made the deck pressed 'edit' & 'save' and just with that it's considered updated. So it definitely does warrant the devs having a look into that. I do know that sometimes decks can be marked as [spam] if they are updated too frequently.
Will just have to wait to hear back from a moderator on this topic though.
In the meantime I would recommend following your favorite wild creators that prove to consistently update their decks for metas. Excluding myself other candidates that stay up-to-date are Kohai & Kingsdefender. There are more but the names slip my mind presently.
The point is that a deck with no real updates might still be good in the updated meta.
So denying the update label is equally unfair.
You cannot automatically determine when an "empty" update is still valid for the new meta.
The thing is that an empty update on a deck made in 2015 (the second deck I linked) does not expand with anything new. The archetype might still be relevant, and there might be some who would play it. But then I would actually expect the creator of the deck to use just a little time to elaborate on why that is. There should be a reason to make an update to be sorted into a new patch, not just so that you are sorted as such.
And defending an "empty" update with it still being relevant kinds of negate the whole reason to why we have a feature on filtering after patches. This can be seen in standart with a really sharp contrast just between decks from before and after the nerfs. Razakus priest is not relevant any more, but a former high rated deck which is just updated to change the patch with no card or text change just helps to muddy the water.
Semi-off topic: @Gunnolf I will give them a look, and have been trying you Reno burn mage with a good result. so thanks
So in short: you wanted to play wild (which I highly recommend, really fun decks, huge diversity), but you couldnt netdeck the wild toptier decks, so you had to think, use your brain and make your own decks.... How is that a bad thing?
Wild is really good, because it lacks the netdecking, which broke standard and made the deckbuilding aspect dumb... I made it to rank74 with my own deck here and laddering is tons of fun...
Hearthpwn is not the place to find THE meta decks. Fun decks maybe. There are actual websites with stats for the meta decks. Hearthpwn is only good for the forums, news and user created decks that are apparently 90% win rate.
So due to some fatigue with standart in the moment I am looking into wild.
And as (properly) many others I headed to the deck page and set up a search.
I did find some decks, but it also raised some questions on when a deck is updated to a new patch.
What I am think about is old decks which has not recived any card changes but has been updated to a new patch
Some example
https://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/619358-1-eu-hyena-hunter
updated to kobolt patch, but no changes in cards after Old Gods.
https://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/285816-tgt-aviana-otk-druid
Updated for kobolt patch, but no changes made after TGT
These decks was good when they were made, but I believe it is a stretch to call any of them updated for kobolt as they haven't changed anything.
And for people heading into wild for the first time or returning to it they do not offer much of a clarification or disclaimer about their competitiveness. They are great for nostalgic reasons, but I believe that they are misguiding.
Should there be a way to report these kind of updates as they are not relevant?
Should there be made another way of patch classifying for wild decks?
Or am I the only one who find these kind of updates problematic?
Why bother? It's a deck builder, not a tier list.
There are meta snapshots for wild, these are meant to include competitive decks, not the deck builder of hearthpwn. These decks might be refined as they are. Maybe they included newer cards, but were removed due to adapting the decks to the current meta? Netdecking is fine, but you can hardly push your approach to the game on others, some people don't have to play meta refined decks.
Hearthpwn has a few issues with coding. As such when it is 'updated' it essentially just means that the person that made the deck pressed 'edit' & 'save' and just with that it's considered updated. So it definitely does warrant the devs having a look into that. I do know that sometimes decks can be marked as [spam] if they are updated too frequently.
Will just have to wait to hear back from a moderator on this topic though.
In the meantime I would recommend following your favorite wild creators that prove to consistently update their decks for metas. Excluding myself other candidates that stay up-to-date are Kohai & Kingsdefender. There are more but the names slip my mind presently.
The point is that a deck with no real updates might still be good in the updated meta.
So denying the update label is equally unfair.
You cannot automatically determine when an "empty" update is still valid for the new meta.
Not so rare. Actually, some old cards lists can popup in a new favourable meta, but with no new cards.
Do you label them obsolete just because no newly released cards were included?
Deck description on the other hand is equally abusable with few new words of fake update.
Best and fairest thing would be an entirely new label that checks tracking about played matches.
I do concede that you make very good points. Implementing any changes at all would be difficult to say the least.
In terms of old lists popping up again w/o any new cards, I am not aware of any but I guess it is possible. The closest thing I could think of would be control shaman but even that runs the new Healing Rain over the old joust card.
This can be seen in standart with a really sharp contrast just between decks from before and after the nerfs. Razakus priest is not relevant any more, but a former high rated deck which is just updated to change the patch with no card or text change just helps to muddy the water.
Semi-off topic:
@Gunnolf I will give them a look, and have been trying you Reno burn mage with a good result. so thanks
So in short: you wanted to play wild (which I highly recommend, really fun decks, huge diversity), but you couldnt netdeck the wild toptier decks, so you had to think, use your brain and make your own decks.... How is that a bad thing?
Wild is really good, because it lacks the netdecking, which broke standard and made the deckbuilding aspect dumb... I made it to rank74 with my own deck here and laddering is tons of fun...
Try building your own decks, trust me
Hearthpwn is not the place to find THE meta decks. Fun decks maybe. There are actual websites with stats for the meta decks. Hearthpwn is only good for the forums, news and user created decks that are apparently 90% win rate.